Chat : 21 Feb 2022

Video and Transcript: https://futuretextlab.info/2022/03/06/tr-21-feb-jad-esber/

16:15:34 From Fabien Benetou : Sadly outdated but my virtual bookshelf https://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/PersonalInformationStream#Finished
16:15:47 From Frode Hegland : oooooh…..
16:22:07 From Frode Hegland : References as bookshelves
16:22:22 From Frode Hegland : Hey Dave!
16:23:10 From Fabien Benetou : wanted to project my virtual bookshelf (as I have covers) on a wall at home but never bothered to do so, especially if I can keep it synced with the growing percentage coming from e-ink reading
16:25:33 From Dene Grigar : ELO’s The Next collects and makes available collections artists and scholars have collected over their lifetimes.
16:26:02 From Frode Hegland : Dene, this is interesting, would you like to talk about that?
16:27:04 From Dene Grigar : Yes.
16:27:08 From Dene Grigar : Thank you
16:27:25 From Frode Hegland To Dene Grigar(privately) : Can you click the hand up so you are in sequence please? 🙂
16:32:44 From Frode Hegland : Daunt?
16:32:47 From Jad Esber : yes!
16:34:23 From Fabien Benetou : oops actually I do have a visualization of my virtual bookshelf https://fabien.benetou.fr/?n=Wiki.BookshelfVisualization?action=whiteboard in fact I did even project with a tactile video projector on a wall but I don’t think I have a video of that.
16:34:41 From Frode Hegland : Sitting in a coffee shop and reading and wanting others to see what you are reading… Yes, identity projection. Same as with music I guess. DJ!
16:35:50 From Frode Hegland : ELO: Electronic Literature Organisation https://eliterature.org
16:35:51 From Fabien Benetou : Ironically enough a cafe does bring an environment conductive to thinking arguably thanks to the noise…
16:36:12 From Frode Hegland : Indeed Fabien
16:36:15 From Dene Grigar To Frode Hegland(privately) : Frode, I need to take a bio-break. Let Mark go next
16:36:40 From Brandel Zachernuk : Etsy had a really joyful celebration of the entire audience on their main page, with everyone’s cursors existing at the same time for everyone to see
16:37:07 From David Millard : More generally, this reminds me of social bookmarking (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicious_(website) ) although this has fallen out of favour now.
16:38:46 From Jad Esber : That’s fascinating!!
16:39:02 From Frode Hegland To Brandel Zachernuk(privately) : Since you asked Jad 🙂
16:39:10 From Frode Hegland To Brandel Zachernuk(privately) : Psychos!
16:39:22 From Frode Hegland To Brandel Zachernuk(privately) : Ops, meant for everyone
16:39:41 From Frode Hegland : Since you asked Jad, my book shelf behind the computer
16:40:13 From Dene Grigar To Frode Hegland(privately) : The-next.eliterature.org
16:40:59 From Dene Grigar : I need to take a quick bio-break. BRB
16:44:10 From Jad Esber : And that context is completely lost online – imagine that existing on the internet.
16:44:53 From Dene Grigar : The-next.eliterature.org
16:47:18 From Frode Hegland : But mark, you love to hold up new books and share with us, which is super nice.
16:50:04 From Dene Grigar : The whole notion of coffee table books is about showing guests your personal taste
16:50:06 From Fabien Benetou : I think I’m a bit in between. I’m utilitarian in the sense that I give away books to friends but I keep my ~top20 in a glass bookshelf in the living room, for others to see and spark a conversation but also me to periodically reflect back because they do in way define either me or at least some truth of my worldview
16:51:47 From Brandel Zachernuk : This makes me realize I am radically utilitarian – I don’t have magazines at all, and and don’t have any displays outside of the books I have literally grabbed to show people
16:52:20 From Fabien Benetou : Arguably showcasing is utilitarian too
16:54:33 From Frode Hegland : YouTube DJ mixes. I have found a few DJ’s who are my human curators. Some well known and public, some anonymous only known by some made up name and no face is shown. Before we used to have sales people in music shops who could recommend. This is missing now of course. ALSO: The way music and books are (almost) interchangeable in this is very interesting. CLOTHING: We buy clothes which people like us buy
16:55:00 From Frode Hegland : Brendan? Dave?
16:56:56 From Dene Grigar : I need to get to my next meeting. I thank you for your excellent presentation. I will see you all at the next event.
16:57:06 From Jad Esber : Thank you for attending Dene!
16:57:07 From Dene Grigar : Thanks, Frode3
16:57:09 From Frode Hegland : Look froward Dene, great to see you today
16:57:09 From Dene Grigar : Frode
16:57:32 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : For ‘dinner guests’ read ‘guests’. I do notice that people have lost a habit of going to where a book may be (shop, library, or someone’s house) substituting instead a signal of interest by listing the books as of interest.
16:58:40 From Frode Hegland : TIkTik stiching?
17:00:43 From Brandel Zachernuk : At base a blockchain isn’t a reflection of “who owns what”, but just “what happened” – which actions have been taken, which may represent ownership changes but also basic transformations with no transitive component
17:01:31 From Brendan Langen : re: design systems embedding provenance, I’ve liked the recent additions from chrome to add ‘Copy Link to Highlight’ in the right-click/context menu.

they can probably take it further though…there’s no keyboard shortcut, and I don’t know that i’d seen anything ‘announced’ about this.
17:01:34 From Frode Hegland : Dave is not visible, not the best internet connection today in the ‘countryside’… but Dave was my advisor for my PhD. I might even get it some day… 🙂
17:01:41 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : TikTiok stitching may be this (I’mm no expert): https://later.com/blog/stitch-on-tiktok/
17:02:20 From Jad Esber : Totally Brendan! Love that feature too.
17:03:36 From Frode Hegland : Yes, what aspects of our personality to put on display and what to hide. Mental? Visual? Music? Intellectual? Dance moves? Poetry? Sexuality? Race? Politics?
17:03:54 From Frode Hegland : Display and privacy
17:04:19 From Fabien Benetou : Children don’t know what a directory is…
17:04:34 From Frode Hegland : This is true Fabien!
17:04:47 From Frode Hegland : It’s interesting. Digital native ? Mobile phone native 🙂
17:05:04 From Fabien Benetou : arguably even “popular app designed to be easily addictivate native” 😛
17:06:06 From Frode Hegland : This is all so very very relevant to our move into the Metaverse…
17:06:13 From Frode Hegland : What to move in? What to keep private?
17:06:53 From Frode Hegland : Also what connections and annotations to show and what to hide…
17:06:57 From Fabien Benetou : My wiki is a bit like that, I don’t do it for anybody else BUT still if somehow someone can relate and we do have a good conversation then I’m glad I leave it public. Also I believe it’s very different to do that publically versus publically within a surveillance capitalism platform
17:07:05 From Frode Hegland : 🙂
17:07:51 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : @Fabien, amen!
17:09:10 From Frode Hegland : You mean like Hamilton quotes?!
17:09:12 From Fabien Benetou : shibboleth
17:09:22 From Brendan Langen : yes, frode. context collapse is a huge challenge, particularly when reputation is built in to the platform. the choice of what to share + not can be a real point of friction.
17:09:26 From Frode Hegland : Steganography
17:10:14 From Jad Esber : I love that word – never heard of it!
17:11:33 From David Millard : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography
17:11:45 From Fabien Benetou : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth#Modern_use
17:17:20 From Frode Hegland To Brandel Zachernuk(privately) : Would you be ready to host a meeting over the next few weeks?
17:17:28 From Frode Hegland To Brandel Zachernuk(privately) : I really think we need two a month, not one
17:17:35 From Frode Hegland To Brandel Zachernuk(privately) : And you are scheduled to be so far in the future!
17:17:47 From Jad Esber : https://future.a16z.com/reputation-based-systems/
17:17:53 From David Millard : Sorry all, I need to duck out – but thank you all for the great discussion
17:18:14 From Frode Hegland : Thanks Dave!
17:18:15 From Jad Esber : Thanks David!
17:18:29 From Frode Hegland To Jad Esber(privately) : Just tell us and sell us! 🙂
17:19:11 From Jad Esber To Frode Hegland(privately) : We’re in experimentation mode and aren’t v public – so would rather not go too in depth
17:19:26 From Frode Hegland : Ah, concrete poetry?
17:19:37 From Frode Hegland To Jad Esber(privately) : Oh that’s fine then 🙂
17:20:08 From Frode Hegland To Jad Esber(privately) : Please say that, if you are comfortable, not just going past it is also ok
17:20:15 From Brandel Zachernuk : I’m a huge fan of an app called ‘mmhmm’ that lets you mix your webcam feed with pictures or slides, and lets you position your camera around it so you can point to or otherwise relate to it – https://www.mmhmm.app/
17:21:47 From Fabien Benetou : nowhere near that fancy https://twitter.com/utopiah/status/1372625119181430793 😉
17:23:23 From Frode Hegland : Very interesting Fabien
17:29:28 From Jad Esber : Web3 is just a term
17:30:12 From Fabien Benetou : read write own, first time I hear this, sticks
17:30:21 From Frode Hegland : OWN
17:30:26 From Frode Hegland : Great part
17:31:04 From Frode Hegland : Part of the pitch of Visual-Meta, https://visual-meta.info for metaverse
17:36:07 From Brendan Langen : ++
there’s a clear parallel there with research.

data can tell us what’s happening, but it requires a human to understand/probe into what feeling triggered the event recorded in the data.
17:38:58 From Fabien Benetou : https://web.immers.space/
17:52:14 From Brandel Zachernuk : https://www.lucasrizzotto.com/ ?
17:52:56 From Jad Esber : Fascinating! Thank you for sharing
17:53:39 From Fabien Benetou : https://store.steampowered.com/app/846080/Where_Thoughts_Go/
17:53:49 From Fabien Benetou : 2018
17:55:36 From Jad Esber : When technology shifts reality, we know the world has changed.
17:55:49 From Brendan Langen : 🙌
17:55:49 From Fabien Benetou : When technology shifts reality, will weknow the world changed? Ken Perlin

1 comment

Leave a comment

Your email address will not be published.