Chat : 25 July 2022


18:10:19 From Frode Hegland : one sec, still listening
18:16:50 From Mark Anderson : Yes, I’d love an AR reading experience. Physical experience but with digital(ly native) affordances.
18:23:33 From Peter Wasilko :
18:24:24 From Peter Wasilko :
18:26:05 From Mark Anderson : What implicit bandwidth is involved with always-on AI assist, as many still aren’t on full-fat data links.
18:26:37 From Frode Hegland : key to think about: AI for small and large volumes of text and for laid out and linear. (also in terms of AI, what is the difference between missile and rocket? It’s an interesting issue).
18:29:23 From Peter Wasilko :
18:31:41 From Mark Anderson : Stretchtext … by alternative means!
18:32:00 From Frode Hegland : and at the same time kinda opposite!
18:33:13 From Mark Anderson : OK, un-stretchtext! 😉
18:39:39 From Frode Hegland : my internet connection is not stable I’m told
18:39:46 From Frode Hegland : it’s a hotel gosh darn it!
18:40:15 From Frode Hegland : I’m here!
18:40:18 From Frode Hegland : can see and hear 🙂
18:40:27 From Frode Hegland : paused video though
18:47:57 From Frode Hegland : can you see me again?
18:48:12 From Brandel Zachernuk : yes we’re getting a decent framerate from you too
18:48:20 From Frode Hegland : Ok cool
18:48:29 From Frode Hegland : THAT is what I want to mention, frame rates..
18:50:08 From Frode Hegland : what is a camera? Still image vs EV: resolutions. pixels, temporal, structural, connective. How to divvy up for VR & AI?
18:51:20 From Mark Anderson : What ‘standard’ acedemic process gets wrong is the story/proposal gets lost in the blizzard of ‘supporting’ structure (citations, references, notes).
18:52:02 From Mark Anderson : It’s fair for the reader to start form the start point of “Am I wasting my time by reading this?”
18:55:20 From Frode Hegland : Exactly Mark
18:58:21 From Frode Hegland : Yes, that is why the author should provide an authorial path through the document
18:59:07 From Frode Hegland : I jsut stopped talking
19:02:01 From Frode Hegland : how about colours for defined terms?
19:02:11 From Frode Hegland : it’s for the Defined Terms view, not normal view
19:02:17 From Frode Hegland : exactly
19:02:37 From Frode Hegland : but turn on and off right?
19:02:45 From Anirudh Badri : Hey, really enjoyed the part of the discussion I heard, but need to drop off for today, looking forward to joining for longer on Friday.
19:04:51 From Frode Hegland : yes, that’s why we need to experiment!
19:04:57 From Frode Hegland : agree with the issue of complexity
19:12:32 From Frode Hegland : am I still grabled?!
19:12:34 From Frode Hegland : hmm…
19:12:42 From Frode Hegland : the different paths is pretty great
19:13:31 From Frode Hegland : that is what I am trying to do with Author highlight and colour glossaries, which should also be in visual-meta PDF on export 🙂
19:15:14 From Mark Anderson : Skipping induces ‘FOMO’ – Fear of Missing Out’ as we are habituated to linera text.
19:15:16 From Peter Wasilko :
19:19:00 From Peter Wasilko :
19:21:29 From Mark Anderson : Wardrip-Fruin’s “New Media Reader”
19:21:30 From Mark Anderson : @Book{wardrip-fruin:2003:nmr,
author = {Wardrip-Fruin, Noah},
title = {The New Media Reader},
volume = {},
pages = {824},
editor = {},
publisher = {MIT Press},
address = {Cambridge, MA, USA},
year = {2003},
doi = {},
isbn = {0262232278},
keywords = {hypertext}}
19:22:15 From Frode Hegland : Can hear you
19:24:40 From Frode Hegland : agree and this is what I am trying to do with the highlight and glossary in Author. There are other ways too of course
19:25:04 From Mark Anderson : the book also comes with … wait for it … a CD in the back cover 😂
19:25:14 From Mark Anderson : I’ve emailed the URL to Bob.
19:29:33 From Mark Anderson : ^^^^ Ted’s thoughts for the reader of his “Literary Machines” (un-numbered [sic] preface page)
19:30:47 From Frode Hegland : just to scream more YES. The Apple ‘tapback’ is so great. We need more ways to assign meaning and to navigate
19:31:06 From Frode Hegland : that kind of assumes the author is consistent 🙂
19:32:04 From Frode Hegland : Jim, this can all be encoded in Visual-Meta. Mark, can you explain?
19:32:35 From Peter Wasilko :
19:34:20 From Frode Hegland : Mark, please see above 🙂
19:34:26 From Frode Hegland : and yes, deeper literacty!!!
19:34:35 From Frode Hegland : (I should probably spell that right)
19:38:20 From Frode Hegland : ‘Pro’ apps
19:39:57 From Frode Hegland : nor macworld
19:39:59 From Frode Hegland : WWDC
19:40:01 From Frode Hegland : :-0
19:40:03 From Frode Hegland : 🙂
19:40:21 From Frode Hegland : yes, we need to make deeper literacy for knowledge a thing, not just for images and video
19:40:23 From Frode Hegland : 🙂
19:40:27 From Mark Anderson : Was reading about Project Cybersyn, this is what I’d like for my Oculus home space ….
19:40:49 From Mark Anderson :
19:41:04 From Peter Wasilko : I love that room!
19:41:39 From Mark Anderson : and yes there is a book
19:41:55 From Mark Anderson : @Book{medina:2011:cr,
author = {Medina, Eden},
title = {Cybernetic Revolutionaries},
volume = {},
pages = {342},
editor = {},
publisher = {MIT Press},
address = {Cambridge, MA, USA},
year = {2011},
doi = {},
isbn = {9780262297387},
keywords = {computers}}
19:47:42 From Frode Hegland : they can do serious writing (?)
19:47:46 From Mark Anderson : “Oh the places you’ll go…”
19:49:51 From Mark Anderson : “views” may not be read as meant.
19:51:24 From Mark Anderson : ‘appification’ is a very real current enfeeblement of understanding software (for the casual users of such).
19:52:39 From Peter Wasilko : That would be An Opinionated word processor.
19:57:39 From Mark Anderson : Re-posting Peter’s earlier link:
19:58:35 From Frode Hegland : what about this last one?
19:58:54 From Mark Anderson : Sharepoint😱
19:59:13 From Brandel Zachernuk : that’s great Frode, I think that works really well
19:59:16 From Mark Anderson : ^^^ reference to Peter’s comment, not Frode’s picture.

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