Chat : 22 August (Spencer Kelly)

Video: https://youtu.be/6DBDBcoMopQ

17:11:02 From Mark Anderson : Bob’s diagrams: http://www.bobhorn.us
17:11:40 From Roderick Kennedy : Would love to attend.
17:12:37 From Mark Anderson : Reference pointing to Bob’s “Mapping Hypertext” book: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL1891251M/Mapping_hypertext
17:14:16 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : !! https://github.com/spencermountain/compromise
17:14:42 From Frode Hegland : Thanks for the double exalamation points Mark. Everyone: This is how we note interesring points
17:25:22 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : !! for others new to ‘trie’ see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trie
17:25:46 From Fabien Benetou : The earlier examples with widgets on identified objects, e.g numbers or dates, seems like something that would translate quite well to VR.
17:26:09 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : 👍
17:37:10 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : !! Translation. Recommend David Bellos’ book “Is That a Fish in Your Ear? Translation and the Meaning of Everything” https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Is_That_a_Fish_in_Your_Ear.html?id=juyGbkMvDssC&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y
17:37:28 From Frode Hegland : !! yes great book, he presented
17:37:30 From Fabien Benetou : Universal grammar
17:46:30 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : !! Oddly learning Latin early on gave more useful skill with grammar than English grammar lesson (even though I’ve forgotten) the Latin. In part that because English grammar is arguably the sum of all the exceptions to the rules.
17:47:08 From Roderick Kennedy : colour text is great for understanding
17:47:16 From Fabien Benetou : Nature language arguably can be a stepping stone to more abstract work e.g math or programming
17:49:59 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : !! It seems fostering some colour convention would help leverage use of colouring as an assistance to the reader.
17:51:15 From Fabien Benetou : We should have metadata <3 tshirts.
17:52:22 From Frode Hegland : !! YES!
17:56:43 From Frode Hegland : OK< Fabien and then Roderick next then Mark!
17:58:13 From Frode Hegland : !! ah, timelines… I did it for a Bronte book in high school
17:58:21 From Frode Hegland : auto would be wonderful
17:58:29 From Frode Hegland : !! text to chart yes
18:02:26 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : !! Scratch: https://scratch.mit.edu
18:05:46 From Brandel Zachernuk : !! The webGL library that supports webXR is http://threejs.org/ – the boilerplate that I use to work on XR projects is http://zachernuk.neocities.org/xr-boilerplate/
18:07:09 From Fabien Benetou : Imagining .html() https://github.com/spencermountain/compromise/ to output https://aframe.io/docs/1.3.0/primitives/a-text.html instead and possibly as manipulable blocks representive grammar https://twitter.com/utopiah/status/1264131327269502976
18:07:42 From Frode Hegland : Yes, Vint calls this computational text
18:08:16 From Fabien Benetou : FWIW Amazon control most of the market but not all of it, there are ways but one has to go the extra mile.
18:08:26 From Fabien Benetou : Wrong but not a lost cause.
18:08:33 From Brandel Zachernuk : and gutenberg is a lot of fun to play with!
18:08:37 From Frode Hegland : !! How about this, we collaborate to have such an interaction in VR for the Future of Text? Large volume text interaction maybe?
18:09:01 From Roderick Kennedy : I have a potential platform for this use case.
18:12:34 From Frode Hegland : colour also replace with image, but only when scrolling, and removing text when scrolling
18:12:38 From Roderick Kennedy : Only nouns?
18:13:54 From Brandel Zachernuk : !! The carpet visualization: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuzXwZD0EHc&feature=youtu.be
18:15:41 From Fabien Benetou : Zoom works in the Web so we can use nlp_compromise right there.
18:18:15 From Fabien Benetou : Makes me think about folding/unfolding based on distance to text, e.g the closer you get the more unfolding and vice versa.
18:18:20 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : !! I had to look it up: lolcat Bible translation https://www.loc.gov/item/lcwaN0010498/
18:19:31 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : !! Slightly at the edge of this convo, re time and metadata, I came across https://www.runningreality.org
18:20:16 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : ^^^ abive is free to use (and contribute) but not, I think, ‘open s/w. But the time/metadata interestion might interest some here.
18:21:36 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : !! was only shamelessly copying the idea from Wikipedia, who doubtless got it from , etc….
18:24:08 From Frode Hegland : !! from gaming: not too many buttons! from VR: More freedom of movement with hands to more specifically say what I want
18:24:37 From Frode Hegland : !! things outside of this: open a paper and if it cites someone you don’t like, make that citation red or blinking to warn you this might be your cup of tea
18:25:33 From Frode Hegland : !! yes, let readers set up a reading view, and maybe more, one for pleasure and one for work. Sets up how to colour and how to connect etc
18:26:24 From Fabien Benetou : FWIW working on an augmented reader view, building on what I showed with nlp_compromise last week.
18:28:21 From Frode Hegland : Agree Mark, let go and look at basics.
18:30:28 From Roderick Kennedy : I once spent several years working on an email client, not focused on composition but on the semantic relationships between associated messages and contacts.
18:33:23 From Frode Hegland : !! Spencer, can you list some of the possible functions may want to perform, which is possible now? Author idea: Template analysis on export and Reader SAME !
18:39:31 From Frode Hegland : Spencer, can you outline a list of capabilities please?
18:43:32 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : !! Detection of excessive adjective lists in humanities papers.
18:45:52 From Fabien Benetou : Wondering if there is a CodeMirror nlp_compromise plugin…
18:47:52 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : !! CodeMirror: https://codemirror.net
18:50:52 From Fabien Benetou : I imagine looking “deeper” e.g 1m to text : title, .5m title+ToC, .3m full text, .2m text with PoS tag highlighting, .15m definition of word…
18:59:23 From Frode Hegland : absolutely, more media powering more media. ‘force multipliers’
18:59:50 From Frode Hegland : on that note, thank you all for today. Spencer and Roderick please feel free to come by any Monday or Friday
19:00:17 From Roderick Kennedy : Thanks very much

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