Video: Part 1: https://youtu.be/8Ve38uHyDr0
16:03:31 From Frode Hegland : yes, at the Groucho, sorry!!!
16:03:38 From Frode Hegland : hang on, working on audio
16:14:23 From Frode Hegland : trying not to have cam on too much, since it’s not allows to have any video meetyings here…
16:14:29 From Frode Hegland : so trying to stay audio
16:15:39 From Mark Anderson : !! interesting the point that a box/rectangle in space isn’t necessarily something easy to interact with a hand interface.
16:15:49 From Peter Wasilko : Could you zoom in on the anti-nausea options blurb?
16:17:12 From Peter Wasilko : That reminds me of David Small’s MIT Work visualizing full plays in 3-D spaces.
16:18:08 From Fabien : (really hard for me to get the audio from Frodge unfortunately)
16:18:29 From Fabien : (Frode)
16:18:32 From Frode Hegland : i would say that related to ‘writing’ vs’ editing so yes
16:18:46 From Frode Hegland : I’m sorry, I’ll try another setting Fabien
16:18:56 From Frode Hegland : Mark, can you paraphease me to Fabien?
16:21:23 From Mark Anderson : !! brings up the issue of cultural baggage. Out current Word Proc interfaces are visually tied to the paper [sic], thus white, page.
16:24:21 From Peter Wasilko : Have you tried the Recursive Font in reader?
16:24:25 From Peter Wasilko : !! https://www.recursive.design
16:28:05 From Frode Hegland : No Peter, but looks very cool!
16:28:11 From Mark Anderson : !! different display aesthetics also have role for some conditions like dyslexia. IIRC, light green or light blue background (i.e where it is normal white) can help the user.
16:28:38 From Karl Hebenstreit, Jr. : Just checking in to see what the conversation is about as I won’t be able attend either event next week. I’ll give you an update about possible contribution(s) for Volume 3 next weekend.
16:28:50 From Mark Anderson : …ofc @karl will understand that stuff better than me.
16:29:53 From Fabien : for reference https://git.benetou.fr/utopiah/text-code-xr-engine/issues/48
16:30:11 From Brandel Zachernuk : !! regarding the cognitive effects of colour contrast and environment, I may have referenced this before but love it: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-immersive-reader-in-microsoft-edge-78a7a17d-52e1-47ee-b0ac-eff8539015e1
16:30:40 From Mark Anderson : !! I suspect the ‘correct’ back space image—or not—may be very user dependent. One persons sense of comfortable enclosure/safety might be visual noise for others.
16:30:45 From Peter Wasilko : @Frode since Recursive is a variable font you can offer a slider to interpolate its boldness and slantedness and animate the change without altering any line breaks!
16:30:56 From Mark Anderson : @brandel, thanks.
16:30:59 From Frode Hegland : very nice Brandel, having a look
16:31:18 From Fabien : @Brandel is it the equivalent of https://github.com/mozilla/readability ?
16:32:18 From Peter Wasilko : https://bionic-reading.com
16:33:09 From Frode Hegland : bionic reading is interresting, but also limited I think
16:34:28 From Frode Hegland : exactly yes
16:35:02 From Peter Wasilko : https://app.bionic-reading.com
16:37:01 From Karl Hebenstreit, Jr. : I’ve contacted this developer, https://bionic-reading.com/ It could be intriguing for the ‘Star Wars’ style of presenting text in VR like some of the things we were seeing at Symposium, if it really does help people to read them faster, and there might be additional variables to add. My thoughts are that I’ll let him know about the XR Accessibility group, then see about how their work fits in with FoT.
16:42:35 From Mark Anderson : !! the challenge is in the moment being correctly our intended public/private space when the real (technical/structural) boundaries my not align with our intuited ones. Not least, redacting inadvertantly public info is hard/impossible 🙂
16:44:03 From Fabien : for reference https://ieeevr.org/2023/contribute/3dui-contest/
16:44:24 From Karl Hebenstreit, Jr. : Thanks everyone. This is really an important project!
16:45:19 From Fabien : I don’t want to play a Bob on you all but if we start to chat about Musk I might also have other things to do 😉
16:46:12 From Frode Hegland : READ IT
16:46:28 From Peter Wasilko : I need the link.
16:46:39 From Brandel Zachernuk : https://www.wired.com/2007/04/esp/
16:48:33 From Fabien : Let’s hear it.
16:48:39 From Frode Hegland : (sorry, called away for a min)
16:48:43 From Mark Anderson : How we might write:
16:49:58 From Fabien : @Mark on this it’s funny because I did a demo yesterday and somebody wanted to modify not just text in front of himself in the environment but also the HUD. Makes perfect sense and I had already started to make something to pull text out of the HUD but it’s interesting how literally closer it gets. Not straight to brain though.
16:50:42 From Frode Hegland : (back. sorry about that)
16:50:59 From Peter Wasilko : Such rich pun potential in that talent.
16:52:20 From Frode Hegland : …put a pencil to his temple and connected it to his brain…
16:53:10 From Frode Hegland : in defence of keyboard: it makes you lean in to the work
16:54:29 From Frode Hegland : the chorded keyset 🙂
16:54:40 From Frode Hegland : oh yes!
16:55:01 From Frode Hegland : I’ll find it
16:55:18 From Fabien : image-map tests for VR https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64682651/is-it-possible-to-use-html-image-maps-within-an-a-frame-scene but I’m thinking translating existing one to interactible ones shouldn’t be too much work. Not sure if it’s that valuable though because in the end it’s still bringing “old” kind of content to space, literally flatr.
16:55:35 From Mark Anderson : ↑↑ Doug’s pen-brick
16:57:42 From Mark Anderson : https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/61975.66918 – the pen-brick is at page 199.
16:58:50 From Mark Anderson : (I have the above paper if anyone has problems accessing it)
16:59:33 From Brandel Zachernuk : !! oh I love equating ‘modes’ with ‘moods’ – ‘moodalities’
16:59:45 From Mark Anderson : 👍
17:01:51 From Frode Hegland : I think our hands ‘like’ having somethign to touch yes
17:02:16 From Frode Hegland : absolutely yes
17:02:22 From Frode Hegland : at least for text entry
17:02:31 From Frode Hegland : exactly
17:05:34 From Frode Hegland : oh no. they are playing music now
17:05:44 From Frode Hegland : and I was just told laptops closed at 5!
17:05:53 From Frode Hegland : I’ll rejoin from iphone in a few mins. sorry!
17:06:20 From Frode Hegland : Mark, can you record from now on in/