Video: https://youtu.be/qWgViIbt7kg
16:14:58 From Frode Hegland : https://www.dropbox.com/s/87fu8vxohq5wi62/Building%20a%20thoughtful%20conversation%201.pdf?dl=0
16:25:10 From Peter Wasilko : @Arthur, have you ever used any parser generators or thought about constructing your own DSL?
16:27:27 From Frode Hegland (Arthur intro) : “As a researcher, I collect materials and references, take notes, then organize things into outlines and finally flesh these out into various documents.
My writing interface for most of this is Pandoc’s Markdown: plain text files with scientific/technical markup.
During my PhD, I worked on integrating hypertext and visualization in this workflow to better support analysis and synthesis. One of the outcomes of this research is a program called Cosma. In this presentation, I will talk about Cosma, index cards, plain text, tools for thoughts, linking as a knowledge organization process, and also about Paul Otlet (1868-1944), the Belgian bibliographer who wrote about networked information a decade before Vannevar Bush’s famous essay.”
16:28:01 From Fabien : always am
16:32:09 From Peter Wasilko : @Arthur, I’d be happy to bring you up to speed on more advanced programming if you ever want to invest the time. Of course there is quite a lot on can do at an End User Programming level without diving in too deeply.
16:32:20 From Peter Wasilko : *lot one can do
16:35:35 From Frode Hegland : do you know about Doug’s purple numbers?
16:39:05 From Peter Wasilko : Also have you read his “Authorship Provision in Augment”?
16:41:57 From Peter Wasilko : This is an intriguing tweet: https://twitter.com/markgurman/status/1612087269044944896
16:45:01 From Peter Wasilko : !! Here is a rundown of Computer Science courses whose video lectures can be found online :: https://github.com/Developer-Y/cs-video-courses
16:46:11 From Frode Hegland : As does all media… a user can do more with a PDF in Reader, than a user can do in a regular web browser…
16:47:52 From Peter Wasilko : Can MarkDown capture nested structures like a quote inside a block quote inside a block quote?
16:52:42 From Peter Wasilko : If not, a LaTeX style environment notation might be an option, where you could have \begin{blockquote}[source=Hagelin73] yada yada yada \begin{blockquote}[source=Jones82] yada yada \begin{quote}yada\end{quote} yada yada \end{blockquote}\end{blockquote} ”
16:53:53 From Arthur Perret : @Peter I’m mostly familiar with Pandoc’s Markdown which includes nested block quotes: https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#block-quotations I assume the original Markdown does this too because it’s one of the things it borrowed from email.
16:54:18 From Frode Hegland : on images: https://fleetingmoment.org
16:54:31 From Frode Hegland : (artist statement from this week)
16:56:29 From Peter Wasilko : @Arthur, thanks for that link, it makes me want to write a PEG Parser to work with the format!
16:57:15 From Peter Wasilko : @Frode, that was EXACTLY what I threw out!
17:01:13 From Peter Wasilko : @Arthur, do you have a URL for that?
17:02:03 From Arthur Perret : https://www.authorea.com
17:02:15 From Arthur Perret : https://www.overleaf.com
17:03:46 From Frode Hegland : for me, replying to a document is the collboration
17:06:18 From Arthur Perret : https://web.hypothes.is
17:07:22 From Peter Wasilko : The same, here, Hypothesis is on my tools to try list too!
17:11:05 From Frode Hegland : “Is short, better than ‘long’. It’s not ‘long’. It’s ‘deep’ in terms of a conversation. A deep conversation could be short or long. And I think the emphasis on pace leads to deep. You have to be able to return to it. It doesn’t have to be long. But do you what is the mechanism of returning to something–beyond comment. Comment is rarely for writing. It’s not what I consider a conversation, a direct, present time conversation.”
Stephanie Strickland. ‘Building a thoughtful conversation 1’. 2023 p.24
google.com/search?q=Building+a+thoughtful+conversation+1
17:23:40 From Frode Hegland : use the mastodoan federated model, even use mastodon to share?
17:24:08 From Frode Hegland : is that rock flint?!
17:32:18 From Peter Wasilko : Afk for a few.
17:35:02 From Mark Anderson : Apologies, I forgot we are doing Mondays not Fridays.
17:36:16 From Fabien : and stream them
17:36:38 From Frode Hegland : no problem Mark
17:43:06 From Fabien : arguably Matrix as the federated equivalent of IRC, getting quite a bit of popularity for the last few years, to reconsider the aspect of whom does own our data.
17:43:48 From Peter Wasilko : back
17:54:42 From Mark Anderson : Discovered my Reference Manager (Bookmarks – on Mac OSs since 1993!) contains 3003, yes 303, reference formats. Worse nearly all are incomplete. Not due to the app but the poor quality of the formats (IOW blame the ‘owners’ of the formats).
17:58:00 From Frode Hegland : How about this, can we design a library together? A reference manager for hyper-citing?
17:59:26 From Mark Anderson : I’m now thinking of Xanadu and EDLs – for pulling citation data. Some ideas don’t age.
17:59:38 From Frode Hegland : nice yes
18:00:38 From Mark Anderson : Attach the email to the doc, not vice versa.
18:02:36 From Frode Hegland : https://libguides.northwestern.edu/zotero/share