Video: https://youtu.be/A10vwB5TMGw
17:22:41 From Frode Hegland : Spatial Hypertext 🙂 but beyond
17:26:29 From Frode Hegland : Also plate tectonics
17:28:59 From Leon van Kammen : https://www.amazon.com/Mluchee-Multicolor-Ballpoint-Retractable-Rainbow/dp/B0BZRT1G9R/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?keywords=multicolor%2Bpen&sr=8-3-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1
17:29:45 From Frode Hegland : Oh no, John just died: https://petapixel.com/2023/08/21/adobe-co-founder-dr-john-warnock-has-passed-away/
17:49:06 From Frode Hegland : Not HCI anymore. The interface is too far done. I think it’s an issue of more direct information interaction, with tools and methods as desired. Makes sense?
17:52:09 From Frode Hegland : Human Computer Symbiosis
17:52:15 From Frode Hegland : Licklider
17:52:51 From Frode Hegland : Also tools for thought vs communication are different strands of hypertext fx
17:54:33 From Brandel Zachernuk : https://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-immersive-enclosure/9780231555968
17:54:48 From Brandel Zachernuk : The Immersive Enclosure
Virtual Reality in Japan
Paul Roquet
Columbia University Press
17:58:08 From Alan Laidlaw : More about the rift between data and C&C. Is it roughly the rift between explicit (conventional programming) path and the implicit (tempestuous AI) path for computers?
18:01:26 From Leon van Kammen : analog vs digital vs symbolic <— interesting distinction
18:01:31 From Leon van Kammen : thanks Brandel
18:05:22 From Brandel Zachernuk : I think the connection is too poor outside there
18:05:37 From Frode Hegland : Sorry done
18:05:40 From Frode Hegland : Have to be outside
18:05:43 From Frode Hegland : Kids in the hotel room now
18:05:51 From Frode Hegland : Just said enough blocks is analog…
18:05:56 From Frode Hegland : Enough and it becomes liquid
18:06:36 From Frode Hegland : https://www.liquidinformation.org/index-fr.html on liquid information
18:07:34 From Leon van Kammen : @Brandel Daniel Bretts (the philosopher?)
18:08:05 From Frode Hegland : Daniel Dennett
18:09:50 From Alan Laidlaw : This topic follows Are Data Are Local very closely
18:13:34 From Frode Hegland : Going video off to save terrace bandwidth, still here 100%
18:13:44 From Frode Hegland : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intuition-Pumps-Other-Tools-Thinking-ebook/dp/B00BQ4NIFI/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Daniel+Dennett&qid=1692634274&sr=8-4 Intuition Pumps and Other Tools for Thinking by Daniel C. Dennett
18:15:31 From Leon van Kammen : HSN (Human Symbolic Navigation)
18:15:40 From Frode Hegland : Reacted to “HSN (Human Symbolic …” with 👍
18:15:48 From Brandel Zachernuk : Reacted to “HSN (Human Symbolic …” with 👍
18:24:07 From Frode Hegland : I need this as an article for the next book. We need expansions of great questions…
18:25:14 From Leon van Kammen : @Alan Laidlaw your screenshot-first OS is exposing the achilles heel of PoSiX (the portable operating system spec, finetuned since the 60s did not consider the pixelframebuffer as a first principle, but rather the characterset projected on top of them).
18:25:15 From Leon van Kammen : [This is an encrypted message]
18:25:31 From Frode Hegland : Reacted to “@Alan Laidlaw your s…” with 👍
18:26:31 From Leon van Kammen : “David Hilbert opened the International Congress of Mathematicians in Paris in the year 1900. Hilbert outlined 23 major mathematical problems that he felt was essential to provide solutions for in the coming new century.”
18:30:04 From Leon van Kammen : 23 Laidlaw(s)
18:30:12 From Frode Hegland : Reacted to “23 Laidlaw(s)” with 😂
18:30:19 From Brandel Zachernuk : Reacted to “23 Laidlaw(s)” with 😂
18:30:54 From Alan Laidlaw : LOL
18:39:34 From Frode Hegland : Main church here in Valetta. The Caravaggio is one of the few paintings presented where it was intended to be shown, not moved to a generic gallery. The one with the two windows, have a look at the figures, they look 3D, with even shadows on the gold right? That is actually painted…
18:39:55 From Frode Hegland : Good point Alan, I’ve been thinking of how it’s easier to move a pencil down than up
18:40:00 From Frode Hegland : As a detail on that
18:40:36 From Frode Hegland : Close up of the painting including the ‘shadow’
18:41:26 From Frode Hegland : Showing you these as a point of ‘context’ matters
18:43:06 From Frode Hegland : “St John’s Co-Cathedral is a Roman Catholic co-cathedral in Valletta, Malta, dedicated to Saint John the Baptist. It was built by the Order of St. John between 1572 and 1577, having been commissioned by Grand Master Jean de la Cassière as the Conventual Church of Saint John. The church was designed by the Maltese architect Girolamo Cassar, who designed several of the more prominent buildings in Valletta.”
18:53:17 From Alan Laidlaw : On the standoff topic, Iian is looking to breaking off from the Codex project to focus on OSS standoff experiments. I am thrilled about this. So I’d love to talk sometime early goals and implementation opps for standoff.