Video: https://youtu.be/HfPTyrj9vp0
16:05:40 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
https://thefutureoftext.org/the-xr-implementation-plan/
16:08:57 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
Are my foreground and background sorted out now?
16:09:06 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
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16:11:00 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
https://thefutureoftext.org/the-xr-implementation-plan/
16:21:09 From Frode Hegland To Fabien Benetou(Privately):
Dene has to leave in 10 and we’ll switch to LLM then ok?
16:21:50 From Fabien Benetou To Frode Hegland(Privately):
sure, will Alain join though because he’s the one who seemed most interested in
16:22:01 From Frode Hegland To Fabien Benetou(Privately):
Hope so. He seems a bit random…
16:27:39 From Dene Grigar To Everyone:
I am heading to campus. See you all next Monday.
16:31:55 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
https://thefutureoftext.org/the-xr-implementation-plan/
16:34:02 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
My biggest pain point with citations is the nightmare that abbreviating first names makes of Authority Control. Something like B. Smith on a paper without a bunch of co-authors to help cluster it is near worthless. Is B. supposed to be Bob or Beth or Bernie? Without the full paper, you have so little to go on.
16:35:14 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
We are gratuitously throwing away information we have so we can try to re-construct it later all to save a few inches of column length in a print format.
16:38:32 From Frode Hegland To Fabien Benetou(Privately):
You want to move on to LLMs since I can’t really make headway?…
16:40:36 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
https://benyeoh.substack.com/p/whos-the-goat-economist-tyler-cowens?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
16:40:49 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
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16:42:56 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
It is nuts!
16:43:14 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
Hype is how we got the first AI Winter.
16:45:17 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
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16:46:41 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
How do desktop users with just a mouse make selections in 3-D?
16:46:56 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
(In A-Frame)
16:48:29 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
It’s about people like me being able to manipulate XR environments Alan
16:49:12 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
https://benyeoh.substack.com/p/whos-the-goat-economist-tyler-cowens?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
16:49:46 From Fabien Benetou To Everyone:
Peter: usually lasers if they don’t have hand tracking or controllers
16:51:23 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
@Peter Wasilko using a raycaster (it translates it to mouseover,mouseclick e.g.), see https://xrfragment.org/example/aframe/sandbox you can see the mouseover do an opacity-change on the portals
16:51:23 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
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16:52:31 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
https://aframe.io/docs/1.4.0/components/cursor.html
16:53:20 From Fabien Benetou To Everyone:
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16:56:31 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
Amen, too easily we’re embarrassed to ask for help. I’m constantly happily surprised online by the generosity people towards the questions of strangers.
17:05:37 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
note to self: faustian bargain
17:07:38 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
synonym: deal with the devil
17:11:31 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
I think surfacing the concept of ‘no build’** is worth surfacing (in context of the Sloan project). ** Thanks, Fabien.
17:15:23 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
Hah, we are on LLMs! We made it!
17:15:34 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
So, part of early exposure to ‘no build’ is useful in that it offers agency before one would normally have the skill (i.e mastery of the wider framework)
17:18:19 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
Ideally, for some not all) this encourages closer engagement learning to achieve more agency if desired.
17:22:02 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
The main drawback to most no-code systems is that they lack adequate facilities to build new abstractions.
17:27:42 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
Sure, but does ‘no code system’ == ‘no build’ use of a system? If I understood Fabien correctly, the latter is a bit like a cooking show where we see the finished cake without having to make it. We may then choose to go and learn how, if we’re interested. I think ‘no code’ is an interesting but flawed approach for the reason you state as it is an (unintentional) dead-end if you want more control.
17:28:20 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
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17:29:31 From Fabien Benetou To Everyone:
no build means the tooling does not add any extra step to go from change to new version, it does not matter if it’s based on code or natural language or visual bricks
17:29:58 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
Thanks for the clarification. 🙂
17:30:12 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
Chat AI “guard rails” can be most annoying, just try to get one to give you advice on how to become the next Bruce Wayne and you will hit a brick wall even if you tell it the Police Commissioner has duly deputized you.
17:31:03 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
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17:31:37 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
I think the best formulation to describe a No Build system is Live Code.
17:33:48 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
Also it its highly desirable to have manipulation feed backward from the rendered simulation to the input parameters driving it. ( i.e. move a brick and have the corresponding code block updated to stay in sync with your direct manipulation)
17:36:03 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
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17:37:33 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
Ask AI and how to apply a personal AI? Like Keiichi
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17:39:05 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
Dear AI, how can write a prompt to bypass your guardrails on what I can prompt you to do?
17:39:38 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
*how can I
17:41:30 From Alan Laidlaw To Everyone:
I think that’s called the Karpathious Jailbreak or something
17:42:17 From Fabien Benetou To Everyone:
“Naive heuristic : avoiding gadgets or services (free or not) that increase inequality by design, through technology or business model or both, would be a good starting point.” https://twitter.com/utopiah/status/1306566303839391744
17:43:53 From Alan Laidlaw To Everyone:
There is a fear of an upper limit s-curve for training data. I think it’s true. But the conflated issue is much deeper
17:45:12 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
But, but THAT would be cheating!
17:45:54 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
I use Ollama
17:46:37 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
And Draw Things for art.
17:47:47 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
What is the realistic monthly run cost of using chatGPT. Plus things like Midjourney or DALL-E? Oddly such information isn’t easy to find.
17:48:01 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
How can we make a corpus from our recordings to inform LLM to read our books?
17:48:48 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
There is no cost for the local tools I cited, but they will be a big laggy without a fast Mac.
17:48:53 From Fabien Benetou To Everyone:
Replying to “What is the realis…”
if you mean as a customer about $50/month, if you mean their costs as a company, hundreds of millions17:49:06 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
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17:49:59 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
I am a helpful AI….
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17:53:24 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
What does she mean by ‘we generated some code’ is this with AI?
17:53:36 From Fabien Benetou To Everyone:
yes
17:53:52 From Fabien Benetou To Everyone:
input spec, output code
17:54:34 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
interesting AI as a human-language-to-application-logic-layer, as opposed to verbatim-code-as-a-logic-layer
17:54:58 From Fabien Benetou To Everyone:
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17:56:27 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
Awesome demo.
17:57:34 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
I would still approach this with a traditional Parsing Expression Grammar.
17:59:56 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
This is like the first step of Git. You take something you can see on your hard drive and put it in a place you can’t see. To many people the sense of doing this is not self-evident.
18:01:40 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
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18:05:40 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
Symbolic linguistic approaches should be vastly more performant and less compute intensive.
18:08:56 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
It’s generative AI so yes, choose which then edit later
18:09:40 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
to sum up Frode’s point in a UNIX philosophy-way: keepmechanism (pinch) and policy (AI) separated
18:10:38 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
Doesn’t Les Carr call ‘AI’ ‘AIT’ as in ‘Automated IT’?
18:13:29 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
We also need to start writing down actually useful things the user might want to do with the library. We can still experiment doing crazy stuff but we need also to demonstrate a useful outcome.
18:14:04 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
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18:14:29 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
The start of this Mark: https://thefutureoftext.org/the-xr-implementation-plan/
18:16:09 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
??
18:16:26 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
Start of what should be doable in the environment
18:16:59 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
I’ve lost the context of this.
18:18:07 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
Rewind for macOS seems focused on this.
18:18:27 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
I am still trying to no avail to backtrace the source of something I read back during the height of COVID.
18:18:58 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
If only I’d made a note for myself at the time, but I didn’t know it would be important yet.
18:19:12 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
same here
18:19:46 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
if only archive.org’s wayback machine had a deepsearch
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18:22:25 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
Oh I can see a cladogram of shifting citation patterns.
18:23:16 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
+1 Web
18:23:20 From Alan Laidlaw To Everyone:
Start w web until breaks.
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18:25:07 From Mark Anderson To Everyone:
Web strikes me as easier faster start. Also useful in pointing up what doesn’t work (being it performance, security, etc.) so app dev work is expended on a more directed goal.
18:25:26 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
Is Z 39.50 still an active thing?
18:27:58 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
😱
18:33:27 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
I am going to have to drop off now.
18:33:40 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
ok Bye Peter!
18:33:53 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
I have to go to
18:33:57 From Leon van Kammen To Everyone:
(my stomach needs food)
18:34:02 From Peter Wasilko To Everyone:
Have a great week, guys. See you Monday.
18:34:03 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
Me too!
18:34:05 From Frode Hegland To Everyone:
See you!