Chat : 17 Jan 2022

Video and transcript: https://futuretextlab.info/2022/01/18/tr-17-jan-2022/

16:13:32 From Mark Anderson : In think this is what Alan referenced https://doriantaylor.com/agile-as-trauma
16:14:20 From Frode Hegland : I think this is a central issue in the future of text: Expecting someone to read full works
16:14:42 From Frode Hegland : Also about roles: Authority or colleague
16:14:59 From Frode Hegland : All approve the invitation?
16:17:25 From Mark Anderson : Invite – OK with me. Don’t think there is anything controversial in it. 🙂
16:18:44 From Peter Wasilko : Previously: I made the point that we should eschew using the term “manifesto” because of its political overtones, opting for something warmer like “principles” instead. I then noted that for my own Founders’ Quadrangle project, I’m branding my nascent community an “unincorporated association” to avoid the regulatory time-sink and financial costs that come with the formal incorporation of a legal entity.
16:19:20 From Mark Anderson : In think this is what Alan referenced https://doriantaylor.com/agile-as-trauma
16:19:30 From Alan Laidlaw : https://twitter.com/GalaxyKate/status/1480330155487014916
16:20:10 From Peter Wasilko : Full thumbs up on the invitation draft.
16:25:00 From Peter Wasilko : Here is some deep but relevant CS theory vis-a-vis how to define data types to be passed between systems: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~fp/papers/popl99.pdf
16:40:40 From Frode Hegland : We should have a discussion of what to build
16:40:49 From Peter Wasilko : Here is a paper on bringing Dependent Types into the Javascript eccosystem: http://goto.ucsd.edu/~ravi/research/oopsla12-djs.pdf
16:42:50 From Alan Laidlaw : Excellent point, Frode. Love the conviction.
16:45:26 From Frode Hegland : For the article for comments please: https://futuretextlab.info/2022/01/17/thoughts-the-immense-immersive-and-immediate-impact-of-vr-ar-xr/
16:45:38 From Frode Hegland : Especially adding specifics
16:45:58 From Alan Laidlaw : In comparing CC to VR, I guess I mean that there are plenty of avenues to “affect climate change” but that includes chastising govt policy and recycling. Much of what is done regarding climate change is performative and makes zero impact. Articles included. However, I just scan across an excellent framing of CC in an article and have shared it with some of my adversarial ken. That one article could make a difference in my immediate circle.
16:46:22 From Alan Laidlaw : Scan = ran
16:46:49 From Peter Wasilko : And one last type theory piece: https://tiarkrompf.github.io/notes/?/dependent-types/ so I don’t loose its context!
16:52:00 From Frode Hegland : Priorities: Sharing data (politics and infrastructure). Evangelise size and potential lack of work augmentation, demos and dialogue
16:52:58 From Frode Hegland : We should agree on foci to work on
16:54:49 From Peter Wasilko : And sheer information overload.
16:57:15 From Frode Hegland : Oh, please tweet and invite people to Friday people!
16:58:39 From Peter Wasilko : Frederico Tomassetti just dropped this piece: https://tomassetti.me/so-much-data-so-many-formats/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=onboardingsequence
16:59:05 From Peter Wasilko : It addresses data format conversion and interop.
16:59:28 From Alan Laidlaw : These are great, thanks Peter
17:02:14 From Peter Wasilko : @Alan, intuitively I think there might be a sweet spot to combine dependent types with description logics.
17:08:04 From Alan Laidlaw : Id like to understand that more. And want to make sure I get all these links you dropped. Have you been able to join the Craft space?
17:08:31 From Peter Wasilko : I wonder if Elon Musk will jump into VR, he has the ego and funds.
17:09:37 From Frode Hegland : De-augmentation. Brick around pencil.
17:09:45 From Frode Hegland : Links also not WordPress Alan!!!!
17:10:00 From Frode Hegland : New category of non VR resources maybe?
17:10:58 From Peter Wasilko : Starlinked metaverse headsets anyone?
17:11:15 From Alan Laidlaw : I’m reminded of something that I want. I have a physical book open (Unflattening) and I’m looking for a section. I think this section is where he mentions Understanding Comics. I badly want to open a search box and type Understanding Comics and have a arrow pop up over the book to guide me to points in the book where Understanding Comics is mentioned.
17:11:43 From Frode Hegland : THAT IS SUCH A LARGE PART OF WHAT THIS IS! 🙂
17:12:03 From Alan Laidlaw : Let’s build a demo of it
17:12:05 From Frode Hegland : Alan, VR is essentially holograms…
17:12:06 From Peter Wasilko : I saw an AfroFuturism anime last night with an intriguing premise that nations would agree to wage war in VR: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4714032/
17:13:07 From Peter Wasilko : They logic was that RL economies couldn’t function without their digital twins, so control of VR would equal control of real life.
17:13:14 From Alan Laidlaw : Which Jarod Lanier book?
17:13:39 From Mark Anderson : I’ve got into Craft, logged in (I think) but I don’t see any docs. Should I?
17:14:22 From Alan Laidlaw : Yes, I’d like to debug if you have a moment
17:14:30 From Mark Anderson : Aha! Found FoT (dropdown, top-left corner). THere at last!
17:15:06 From Brandel Zachernuk : Information Is an Alienated Experience, Basic Books, 2006, ISBN 0-465-03282-6
You Are Not a Gadget: A Manifesto,[63] New York : Alfred A. Knopf, 2010, ISBN 978-1-84614-341-0
Who Owns the Future?, San Jose : Simon & Schuster, UK : Allen Lane, 2013, ISBN 978-1-846145223
Dawn of the New Everything: Encounters with Reality and Virtual Reality, New York: Henry Holt and Co., 2017, ISBN 9781627794091
Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now, New York: Henry Holt and Co., 2018, ISBN 978-1-250-19668-2
17:15:14 From Alan Laidlaw : Ah thanks!
17:15:16 From Brandel Zachernuk : Oh, that looks bad – those are Lanier’s books
17:15:27 From Brandel Zachernuk : I’m guessing the ‘dawn of the new everything’
17:16:13 From Peter Wasilko : Did you see the goldfish driving the mobile fish tank robot over dry land?
17:17:08 From Alan Laidlaw : I want get this book but having trouble finding it
17:17:46 From Frode Hegland : Jaron Lanier
17:17:58 From Alan Laidlaw : Right, I’ll find it somewhere
17:18:16 From Frode Hegland : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dawn-New-Everything-Journey-Through/dp/178470153X/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1LHKCRB2H98X5&keywords=jaron+lanier&qid=1642439887&sprefix=jaron+lanier%2Caps%2C93&sr=8-6
17:18:21 From Frode Hegland : Found it!
17:18:34 From Peter Wasilko : I should still be able to write 3-D Code while exiled in 2-D.
17:20:05 From Peter Wasilko : And I’ll probably get more immediate benefit from an Apple Silicon Mac than a headset.
17:23:42 From Peter Wasilko : But we could put data hashes in VM to get the data from a content-addressable store.
17:24:47 From Peter Wasilko : “Green Cube off center left relative to viewer on top of a blue cube half its size.”
17:25:25 From Alan Laidlaw : List of completing formats just mentioned?
17:27:11 From Peter Wasilko : Put the geometry in IPFS
17:27:49 From Peter Wasilko : Bind each model to a human sensible name and incorporate THAT in VM
17:28:16 From Brandel Zachernuk : The two formats are glTF and USD / USDZ
17:28:58 From Peter Wasilko : See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHRDLU
17:31:58 From Brandel Zachernuk : glTF is presented by the creators as ‘the jpg of 3D,’ so it’s expected to be allowed to be lossy etc
17:33:48 From Mark Anderson : ^ Interesting
17:39:19 From Peter Wasilko : I open a new browser tab, hence often having over a 1,000 open at once!
17:39:32 From Mark Anderson : Arrives, flagged … and done!
17:39:44 From Peter Wasilko : My New Year’s resolution is to properly archive and close them all!
17:39:52 From Frode Hegland : Hello Waliya, nice to have you here. We started quite a while ago but we are here a little longer
17:40:10 From Frode Hegland : Next meeting is Friday 1 hour 40 before the time is now
17:40:23 From Peter Wasilko : Hi Keith and Waliya!
17:40:41 From Waliya Yohanna : Hi Frode! I just come in by accident and found you people here
17:40:55 From Waliya Yohanna : Nice to see you this year again
17:40:55 From Frode Hegland : Can you add a link to Craft space to the WordPress?
17:41:02 From Frode Hegland : 🙂
17:42:33 From Waliya Yohanna : Hello.Peter Wasilko, it seems I cited your work before
17:43:27 From Frode Hegland : Can’t hear you well at all
17:43:35 From Brandel Zachernuk : https://twitter.com/waliya_y_joseph
17:43:41 From Waliya Yohanna : Nigeria
17:45:15 From Peter Wasilko : Wow, I just had to “prove” I was a human or AI trained on traffic light images.
17:45:22 From Frode Hegland : 🙂
17:45:46 From Waliya Yohanna : Hmmm
17:45:57 From Waliya Yohanna : Fortunate to be here!
17:47:06 From Peter Wasilko : Maybe we should be designing a cyberdeck abstraction.
17:50:33 From Peter Wasilko : @Alan can you reinvade me from peter@wasilko.info. ?
17:50:39 From Peter Wasilko : *invite
17:50:46 From Alan Laidlaw : I will reinvade anything.
17:51:01 From Alan Laidlaw : done
17:51:15 From Waliya Yohanna : Walsiko
17:51:34 From Waliya Yohanna : I’ve vote u I think

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