Chat : 21 Jan 2022

Video and transcript: https://futuretextlab.info/2022/01/25/tr-21-jan-2020-barbara-tversky/

15:59:49 From Peter Wasilko : Good Morning All!
16:02:38 From Alan Laidlaw : Do we need to set up that chat/notetaking app?
16:04:38 From Lorenzo Bianchi : Hey there, connecting from Italy
16:05:02 From Lorenzo Bianchi : On my mobile
16:05:14 From Frode Hegland : Read it!
16:05:15 From Patrick Lichty : In process
16:05:15 From Brendan Langen : read!
16:05:15 From Alan Laidlaw : Yes, halfway in.
16:05:26 From Pam Drouin : Haven’t read it yet! But it’s very high on my list 🙂
16:05:34 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : Currently reading.
16:05:34 From David Lebow : Have read journal article
16:05:40 From Adam Wern : I’ve read two chapters, and watched two seminars on Youtube
16:05:41 From Rafael Nepô : Still trying to get my hands on it 🙂
16:06:21 From Alan Laidlaw : Love the framing. This transcript will be freely available, yes?
16:07:01 From Frode Hegland : Yes, the transcript will be on our blog and in our monthly Journal, human-made, from https://futuretextlab.info
16:07:21 From Peter Wasilko : Can we get a copy of the slide deck after the program?
16:07:50 From Frode Hegland : We can ask her after I think. If so, I will also interest into Journal Transcript
16:09:10 From Brandel Zachernuk : (Read it)
16:32:18 From Alan Laidlaw : Love all the visual media references. I keep wanting to pull the ref off the shelf and show it off
16:36:24 From Pam Drouin : My brain grew 3 sizes!
16:38:11 From Peter Wasilko : I never thought of chalk board notes as animations before. Brilliant!
16:39:45 From Patrick Lichty : I love to animate in VR with Quill
16:39:56 From Patrick Lichty : Ishii’z great
16:40:01 From Patrick Lichty : Question.
16:40:39 From Patrick Lichty : Do you see a different modality between comics, animation (2d) and vr animation ()3d)
16:43:35 From Frode Hegland : Alan, please write his name in full
16:43:43 From Frode Hegland : Nor Groening?
16:43:47 From Alan Laidlaw : Larry gonick
16:43:52 From Frode Hegland : Ah, thanks 🙂
16:43:59 From Frode Hegland : Good for the transcript
16:44:04 From Alan Laidlaw : Great stuff – but very seventies looking
16:44:30 From Alan Laidlaw : So not popular now. The ideas are brilliant but bound to a particular aesthetic
16:45:01 From Alan Laidlaw : Which is an interesting friction to bring up.
16:45:08 From Frode Hegland : Indeed
16:45:26 From Rafael Nepô To Frode Hegland(privately) : Understanding Comics is on my top 10 books 🙂
16:45:29 From Rafael Nepô To Frode Hegland(privately) : Oops
16:45:30 From Alan Laidlaw : Like trying to get someone to what a brilliant silent film. This primarily does not work
16:45:37 From Rafael Nepô : Understanding Comics is on my top 10 books 🙂
16:45:41 From Alan Laidlaw : What = watch
16:46:01 From Alan Laidlaw : Yes, UC changed the course of my life
16:53:42 From Frode Hegland : følese feeling bevege move
16:54:24 From Pam Drouin : I need to leave a few minutes early, thank you so much for this session!
16:55:22 From Luc Beaudoin : has BT talked about mnemonic systems involving motion already? I missed first half hour or so
16:55:33 From Frode Hegland : You are welcome Pam 🙂
16:56:04 From Frode Hegland : No, feel free to queue up that question Luc
17:00:04 From David Lebow : Interesting to noodle on the implications of Barbara’s perspective for school learning. (e.g., the problem of transfer and inert knowledge).
17:05:50 From Frode Hegland : Kind of is a depravity
17:06:17 From Brandel Zachernuk : “Travesty”: a false, absurd, or distorted representation of something.
17:06:26 From Frode Hegland : Sounds about right
17:07:07 From Frode Hegland : Maybe this is why spoken interfaces don’t feel all that great for building something, since you are in a way speaking into the void?
17:07:40 From David De Roure : Apologies, need to go teach – thanks for discussion!
17:07:47 From Frode Hegland : Later Dave
17:09:49 From Frode Hegland : Please write his name here in chat Luc
17:10:36 From Brandel Zachernuk : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Sloman is the “philosopher and researcher on artificial intelligence and cognitive science”
17:11:05 From Frode Hegland : Thanks Brandel
17:12:24 From Brandel Zachernuk : David Kirsh has done a bunch of work on assessing modalities of gesture, different intensities of dance rehearsal and their cognitive impact
17:13:56 From Alan Laidlaw : What is that term she mentioned? Leaving orations in places in agora?
17:14:58 From Frode Hegland : Alan, feel free to butt in and ask
17:15:37 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : @alan. Loci (places: locus, pl.)
17:15:55 From Frode Hegland : Thanks Mr Mark
17:16:59 From Frode Hegland : Brandel, eyebrows in VR…
17:17:20 From Brandel Zachernuk : I made an eyebrow video game for Google once! We called it “Browzilla”
17:17:22 From Lorenzo Bianchi : @Luc, I did something very similar to your “kinesthetic mnemonics” to memorize Peterson’s rules when attempting to learn Chinese characters, especially their stroke order.
17:20:07 From Frode Hegland : That’s a great point Brendan: How this can help children ‘be’ in the world
17:21:33 From Karin Hibma : ‘Babies Build Toddlers by Marianne Bissonette just came out last year
17:21:55 From Frode Hegland : My son changes what leg he uses on the scooter. I guess we should look at similar for later stages.
17:22:40 From Frode Hegland : Thanks Karin. Recommended?
17:23:00 From Luc Beaudoin : @Lorezo . And it helped?
17:23:17 From Karin Hibma : Yes! Has been very helpful with strategic identity work…
17:23:17 From Luc Beaudoin : sorry, “Lorenzo”.
17:24:23 From Alan Laidlaw : Interesting. I like to remember a collage of thin connections and assigning an image for it. Ex: “The Manginot Line” is my keyword to unlock the connection from Jan 6 to knowledge graph approaches
17:25:41 From Lorenzo Bianchi : A lot. I experimented with speed and range of motion
17:26:59 From Lorenzo Bianchi : Slow, ample movements proved to be the most conducive to long-term acquisition
17:29:05 From Luc Beaudoin : Interesting. One of the benefits I think is in elaborative reasoning about the information to remember. But there’s also some intrinsic about mapping it to motion. There’s something special about the underlying unconscious steps
17:29:55 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : Knowledge tools do offer ease to place semantic meaning on links but link types in diagrams seemed to get put aside.
17:30:13 From Luc Beaudoin : It would be nice to do interviews and develop a compendium of gestural mnemonics with video.
17:31:14 From Lorenzo Bianchi : That would be really interesting. Also, AR/VR could be an incredibly useful tool here.
17:31:23 From Luc Beaudoin : I’m particularly interested in lists because they are hard to remember (due to cue overload) and they also involve component abstractions
17:32:03 From Brandel Zachernuk : Jeremy Bailenson
17:32:56 From Brandel Zachernuk : (The Virtual Human Interaction Lab site covers this well- https://stanfordvr.com/ )
17:33:28 From Frode Hegland : Yuval Noah Harari yes 🙂
17:33:34 From Alan Laidlaw : Right. The conceptual power of simple shapes is still unexplored. The Manginot Line has a history lesson but the value for me and my memory is the line, the trench, the tunnel, the bifurcation, the friction. That ritual trace of a shape’s course unlocks the many other narrative “shapes” I’ve looked that starting place. (Pardon if that doesn’t make much sense.)
17:35:13 From Lorenzo Bianchi : Makes a lot of sense, actually
17:35:53 From Alan Laidlaw : Hooked (instead of looked)
17:36:05 From Alan Laidlaw : I must be off. This was great!
17:36:16 From Frode Hegland : Later Alan, see you Mondat
17:36:22 From Frode Hegland : Monday
17:46:31 From Karin Hibma : This was so stimulating! Thank you for the invite Frode and thanks to Barbara for a brilliant
17:48:51 From Karin Hibma : Sorry to leave – will be in touch! karin@cronan.com
17:48:59 From Frode Hegland : Thanks for being here
17:53:43 From Brendan Langen : I also need to head out. so great to talk with you, Barbara! thanks for putting this together, Frode. i’ll see you Monday.
17:53:52 From Frode Hegland : later
17:57:25 From Frode Hegland : Hi Aaron, we started two hours ago so sorry about the timing but if you have a question for Barbara please feel free, we have a few mins left
17:57:42 From Brandel Zachernuk : http://nwkpsych.rutgers.edu/roar/reprint%20pdfs/Pinto%20&%20Shiffrar%2009.pdf coves it
17:58:01 From Brandel Zachernuk : Covers *
17:59:06 From Aaron Sloman : Very sorry to be so late — I triply overcommitted myself. But I’ve arrived at a wonderful time — bring reminded of the moving lights demo.
18:01:03 From Lorenzo Bianchi : I must be off, but thank you thank you thank you everybody
18:01:12 From Frode Hegland : https://youtu.be/MgsddFEe9Oc for HERO trailer. Caligraphy WRIT LARGE! 🙂
18:01:19 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : Bye!
18:01:21 From Lorenzo Bianchi : Very compelling session
18:01:22 From Frode Hegland : Thanks for coming
18:01:30 From Frode Hegland : Stay in touch 🙂
18:01:41 From Lorenzo Bianchi : Bye! lorenzo.bianchi@outlook.com, if you want to stay in touch!
18:01:59 From Lorenzo Bianchi : Take care, and thanks again Barbara!
18:02:47 From Frode Hegland : Barbara is reflecting on your comment Brandel
18:02:51 From Frode Hegland : Sorry we lost you for a bit
18:03:03 From Brandel Zachernuk : Yes my internet died! I’m tethering to my phone now
18:03:16 From Frode Hegland : Silicon Valley eh!
18:04:22 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjSnb-Pt8P1AhUNYcAKHVePCPwQFnoECAoQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLevenshtein_distance
18:04:37 From Mark Anderson (Portsmouth, UK) : sorry – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance
18:04:53 From Frode Hegland : Levenshtein distance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance thanks Mark, here the link is resolved
18:09:46 From Frode Hegland : Panda, Adam, questions or comments?
18:10:18 From Panda Mery : Just thank you for such an interesting conversation.
18:10:27 From Frode Hegland : 🙂
18:10:40 From Frode Hegland : Not soho at midnight, but similar 🙂
18:11:19 From Panda Mery : (When I saw you drinking I was wondering if it was your usual special coffee order)
18:11:24 From Brandel Zachernuk : Curious if you’ve ever come across Thad Starner’s work on passive haptic learning to that end
18:11:34 From Frode Hegland : No! Today it’s a strong mocha!
18:15:00 From Frode Hegland : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Sloman
18:15:27 From Brandel Zachernuk : I need to drop for a brief call but will return if you’re still there in ~10 mins!
18:15:38 From Frode Hegland : Ok. Likely not but let’s see Brandel
18:18:55 From Frode Hegland : https://futuretextlab.info
18:19:15 From Peter Wasilko : Thanks So Much!
18:19:47 From Panda Mery : Have a nice w/e. Bye.

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