Chat Log : 27 March 2023 Andrea Kantrowitz

Video: https://youtu.be/Sv1umsD9bXw

16:02:03 From Peter Wasilko to Everyone:
Pencil in hand.
16:03:53 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
🙂
16:07:26 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
over web
16:09:00 From Deena Larsen to Everyone:
Self care and world care in uncertain times http://selfcareworldcare.wikidot.com/start
16:09:54 From Mark Anderson to Everyone:
FWIW, Bob Horn’s book is “Visual Language” https://www.amazon.com/Visual-Language-Global-Communication-Century/dp/189263709X (other vendors are available!)
16:23:31 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
They are not thi9nbking machines!
16:23:58 From Johannah R (she/they) to Everyone:
@Gyuri +1
16:24:01 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
Machines fashioned to the image of the human mind, too bad
16:26:13 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
Reacted to “They are not thi9nbk…” with 😂
16:35:21 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
How to PRESENT not rePRESENZT!!!!
16:37:23 From Johannah R (she/they) to Everyone:
@Gyuri: these days, I like to say the machines are “thinking” and part of the work for those like us who think about human/machine relations relates to what those quotation marks and/or their absence signify.
16:44:28 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
(Sorry about all the moment, trackpad needed charging!)
16:47:04 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
You say daily practice, which chimes with this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001k0wg
16:47:16 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
“The healing power of the pen! How a technique called expressive writing can lift your mood, improve your immune system and give your brain a boost.”
16:51:39 From Deena Larsen to Everyone:
Beautiful drawings. thanks
16:51:52 From Deena Larsen to Everyone:
THank you for those insights!
16:53:06 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
“It does not matter what you draw!”
16:53:12 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
Great quote
16:53:46 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
sketching drawing painting clay sculpt dance
16:54:11 From Peter Wasilko to Everyone:
https://krita.org/en/
16:55:23 From Deena Larsen to Everyone:
Argumentum Ornithologicum :: J. L. Borges
I close my eyes and see a flock of birds. The vision lasts a second or perhaps less; I don’t know how many birds I saw. Were they a definite or an indefinite number? This problem involves the question of the existence of God. If God exists, the number is definite, because how many birds I saw is known to God. If God does not exist, the number is indefinite, because nobody was able to take count. In this case, I saw fewer than ten birds (let’s say) and more than one; but I did not see nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, or two birds. I saw a number between ten and one, but not nine, eight, seven, six, five, etc. That number, as a whole number, is inconceivable; ergo, God exists.
16:57:09 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
It does not matter no, it still extends your thoughts ‘into the world’ as a record.
16:57:19 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
sketching like drawing tools for thought with different affordance
16:57:24 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
It can of course be ‘literally’ the world or literally thoughts connected
16:59:09 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
https://jrnl.global/2018/12/03/trailmarks-post-on-trailmarks/
16:59:53 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
I love skedio playing with Brezier Curves create replicate objects
17:00:01 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
Using the ‘Borges’ quote above as a prompt in DALL-E
17:00:07 From Fabien Benetou to Everyone:
https://paperlike.com
17:00:36 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
But Paper is the fastest and most fluent
17:00:57 From Fabien Benetou to Everyone:
most available but not necessarily faster, definitely for edits
17:01:25 From Johannah R (she/they) to Everyone:
Thank you so much for this wonderful talk! I have to run to another meeting.
17:01:28 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
Great to gret going, but hen you have to work hard
17:02:25 From Fabien Benetou to Everyone:
“On ne s’appuie que sur ce qui résiste.” – François Andrieux
17:03:35 From Deena Larsen to Everyone:
Reacted to “Screenshot 2023-03-27 at 16.59.32.png” with 🎉
17:05:21 From Deena Larsen to Everyone:
My book is using photoshopped AI images… the AI has helped me imagine new connections.
17:05:32 From Fabien Benetou to Everyone:
same for programming… it’s nice to actually do it!
17:05:38 From Deena Larsen to Everyone:
Why take the pleasure of writing away as well.
17:06:34 From Deena Larsen to Everyone:
doodling as a way to take notes.
17:07:38 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
https://sketchingforux.com/
17:08:06 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
took that course 42 hours online great
17:10:05 From Fabien Benetou to Everyone:
it’s literally in the book 😛
17:17:49 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
To Mark Take up Paintin. Paionting is great for people who cannot draw, whapes and colours can be very expressive
17:18:19 From Fabien Benetou to Everyone:
on the importance of the hand for human evolution : André Leroi-Gourhan’s Le geste et la parole
17:18:43 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
Reacted to “on the importance of…” with 👍
17:18:44 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
For self, for thinking, for communicating, for sharing
17:18:58 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
In English Fabien?
17:20:06 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agOdP2Bmieg
17:20:26 From Deena Larsen to Everyone:
Thank you for this!
17:20:29 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
How nice to have a shared tablet drawing app where we can always dig into a small area or expand and connect to other drawings, collaboratively
17:20:58 From Fabien Benetou to Everyone:
” Gesture and Speech”
17:23:52 From Fabien Benetou to Everyone:
https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262515429/gesture-and-speech/
17:25:34 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agOdP2Bmieg
17:26:29 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
Andrea Do checkout this video it is eye opening and is the future
17:28:13 From Fabien Benetou to Everyone:
herding otherwise we’ll “just” talk 😉
17:34:21 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
Talk about drawing in VR?
17:34:26 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
Lots of open eyes…
17:52:50 From Andrea Kantrowitz to Everyone:
Thanks everyone! This was a wonderful session, thanks again for your insightful responses.
17:53:10 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
Thank you Andrea
17:54:18 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/gyuri-lajos/
17:54:44 From Peter Wasilko to Everyone:
“Does this seem plausible?” would probably be closer to the mark for trustworthiness of the response.
17:55:25 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7044662122332454913/
17:55:28 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
We’d have to experiment with prompts so yes Peter 🙂
17:57:05 From Daveed Benjamin to Everyone:
Thanks ! Great meeting
17:57:53 From Mark Anderson to Everyone:
Also we need to be aware LLMs only look back in time (currently)
18:00:44 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
Large language model only manipulate the representaationb have no grounding in reality only through us!
18:01:01 From Fabien Benetou to Everyone:
Reacted to “Large language mod…” with 👍
18:01:15 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
So it is not thinking because thinking involes awareness of real things
18:01:18 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
Please watch this 1 min video while muted and I have a question: https://visual-meta.info/powerful-citing/
18:01:25 From Mark Anderson to Everyone:
Reacted to “So it is not thinkin…” with 👍🏻
18:07:36 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
Thank you Frode for organzing this call
18:07:43 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
Enjoyed it very much
18:07:50 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
Hope tio see you in April
18:07:58 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
I do have to leave now
18:08:02 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
Best Wishes
18:08:04 From Gyuri Lajos to Everyone:
Gyuri
18:13:39 From Peter Wasilko to Everyone:
Tuesday are a bit dicy for me, it is when my Strumenta DLS Language Design Meetup is held in our regular time slot.
18:13:59 From Peter Wasilko to Everyone:
*is a bit
18:14:06 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
Wednesdays?
18:17:44 From Peter Wasilko to Everyone:
Mum needs me, so I have to drop. Stay Safe Guys!
18:17:49 From Frode Hegland to Everyone:
Later Peter

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