15:07:48 From Mark Anderson : ^^ My latest trial in Noda.
15:15:31 From Frode Hegland : What is that central node?
15:21:15 From Frode Hegland : One thing about the 3rd dimension could be to move everything far back that you have not used in your current paper, or something
15:21:16 From Frode Hegland : Maybe
15:33:09 From Frode Hegland : I also have to reply to this, which came in just now: https://futuretextpublishing.com/2022/03/13/why-pdf/
15:37:29 From Brandel Zachernuk : Hi Rafael!
15:37:37 From Rafael Nepô : Hello!
15:39:48 From Frode Hegland : Blog update: links between chat log and transcript. Also .liquid of all the books and journals are now on the sites. Also that link to Nathan’s comment
15:40:17 From Mark Anderson : 👍
15:44:16 From Brandel Zachernuk : Force-directed graph
15:44:39 From Mark Anderson : I think this is what Fabien is describing: https://js.cytoscape.org
15:46:26 From Frode Hegland : Scratch! But useful learning here 🙂
15:47:48 From Peter Wasilko : https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Presentation-Specification-PSpec-Editor-This-editor-is-used-to-specify-the_fig4_221023621
15:47:56 From Frode Hegland : Rafael, your room looks like a manga painting!
15:48:46 From Fabien Benetou : Making CodeCity evolve http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-2605/13.pdf hinting on graphviz stability over time, including in WebXR
15:50:34 From Fabien Benetou : (btw they are considering moving to Hubs)
15:51:27 From Brandel Zachernuk : I find animated captures easier – taking a video and then pulling frames if necessary
15:51:34 From Rafael Nepô : Frode, my life for the past 4 months has been a Manga Story. Hahaha
15:51:50 From Frode Hegland : Do you have tutorial or something to share with Mark on that Brandel?
15:51:55 From Frode Hegland : Awesome Rafael…
15:54:28 From Adam Wern : Planes could also be at angles, having like 45 degree panels, like some signs in museums
15:55:27 From Mark Anderson : @Brandel – good point re video grab. I’ll put that on my to do list (in terms of making useful such grabs 🙂 )
15:56:19 From Frode Hegland : Original Mac (nodes numbers). We need more interactions for where to place! Adam and Fabien looked at Moz Hubs earlier and we should move in! And decide where to put what in there. ALSO, should the HTML be sent to a different/online directory? Fabien?.
15:56:19 From Peter Wasilko : That might be problematic; it looks like hubs uses Discord which won’t let me sign up because I have a land line.
15:57:55 From Frode Hegland : Back in a min, will listen, just off camera
15:59:10 From Mark Anderson : A side note: I used the ACM dataset partly because I know it has Creative Commons license (which I put there) so it’s easy for anyone to do different takes on the same data.
16:01:14 From Mark Anderson : Dataset is at https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/450414/ but real source is a Tinderbox file (held be me only as some date, e.g. author data has some privacy/fair use implications) but I’m open to doing different data tables for the group if needed.
16:02:57 From Fabien Benetou : on capture as video https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy and can be over WiFi or closer to Brandel recent replayability demo https://github.com/dmarcos/aframe-motion-capture-components but has to be integrated and doesn’t include video or voice, also need some permanence of the scene for replayability to make sense.
16:03:17 From Mark Anderson : I remember when you wanted/needed a (landline) phone to help prove you were citizen of good standing. 😮
16:03:46 From Peter Wasilko : Those were the days!!!!!!!
16:03:55 From Peter Wasilko : ♥️
16:04:17 From Mark Anderson : Using screenshoots merely betrays my age. Anything moving used to be really hard!
16:05:13 From Frode Hegland : Our user group probably will include a scientist who will put the headset on, want to see the state of the scientific literature in their field and if it’s frustrating it’ll come right off… Demo yes but polish too
16:05:18 From Frode Hegland : Agree Fabien
16:12:32 From Adam Wern : I did a similar streaming thing on my 2D canvas app, Ipad connecting to a web server on my laptop, drawing moving as long the laptop was awake – also streaming local videos & pdfs from the canvas
16:14:50 From Frode Hegland : https://various-sneaky-paste.glitch.me/author
16:15:20 From Frode Hegland : Edit and dealing with published work. Can we record our meetings easily like that? Brandel, I tried to get my .liquid document into the link you sent but can’t see it in Quest. What to do? Or use iCloud link maybe?
16:15:42 From Fabien Benetou : could this have a URL parameter to a liquid file? Could be sharing from the headset via e.g hmd.link more convenient.
16:16:09 From Adam Wern : I wonder if it would be useful to “fold” our ACM data demo:
16:16:12 From Adam Wern : https://www.shoantel.com/proj/acm-ht/visualisations/demos/index.html?selectedPaper=3154184656
16:16:50 From Adam Wern : So the abstract / pdf is shown at 90 degrees out
16:17:00 From Fabien Benetou : e.g https://various-sneaky-paste.glitch.me/author?file=https://whatever.com/file.liquid and might even be able to unzip client side, I believe there are client without server-side requirements
16:17:30 From Frode Hegland : BRANDEL, I just tested and it was INSTANT!
16:17:33 From Mark Anderson : So, a What 3 Words (https://what3words.com/) for VR?
16:17:45 From Frode Hegland : Damn that was nice!
16:17:46 From Brandel Zachernuk : Oh good! Take a video grab!
16:17:57 From Frode Hegland : I’ll have to set that up!
16:19:33 From Frode Hegland : Connection for casting not stable. Will look later
16:20:37 From Brandel Zachernuk : You can just locally record the video using the ‘share’ button, and then pull it off – but that’s great! If anyone else is on the page at the time you drop it in they’ll see it too
16:22:05 From Adam Wern : Imagine seeing this 20 years ago
16:22:09 From Peter Wasilko : I think it could be lossy and still useful.
16:22:31 From Mark Anderson : @Adam. Indeed.
16:22:47 From Fabien Benetou : finding the central node where all feeds go through, e.g https://github.com/mozilla/dialog for Hubs, could be sufficient but again against a stable enough (or cheaply forkable) environment e.g scene and rooms
16:25:29 From Frode Hegland : Sorry, Edgar home from school because of COVID and very bored.
16:25:46 From Frode Hegland : And Emily desperately needs napping
16:25:49 From Frode Hegland : Hence interruptions
16:30:52 From Peter Wasilko : http://inform7.com/book/WI_1_8.html
16:36:14 From Frode Hegland : Mural is an interesting aspect, as we have discussed with Bob Horn. It’s a wall sized interaction. So even that makes a difference
16:36:42 From Rafael Nepô : Mis-en-place
16:37:42 From Rafael Nepô : Skeuomorphism
16:37:55 From Fabien Benetou : on position of tools in space in the kitchen as meaningful (sorry in French) https://www.persee.fr/doc/reso_0751-7971_1990_num_8_43_1783 as a tension between step by step e.g pipes echo this | wc -l in the console versus a “space” like the desktop metaphor
16:38:31 From Rafael Nepô : Having a Wall <3 16:38:55 From Fabien Benetou : between the sequentiel file <-> viewer/editor and now I’m trying to gather “all” different explorations in 1 space to promote composability
16:38:57 From Fabien Benetou : https://fabien.benetou.fr/pub/home/pimxr-experimentation/sources.json
16:39:03 From Fabien Benetou : (quite abstract for now sadly)
16:39:12 From Peter Wasilko : Should the wall be Flat or gently Curved around the viewer?
16:41:39 From Peter Wasilko : Why did I study ancient Latin instead of French?
16:41:52 From Adam Wern : On the other hand, with much knowledge work the meal is your head.
16:42:43 From Fabien Benetou : Rafael we lost you for a minute or two
16:42:48 From Rafael Nepô : Ok
16:42:56 From Frode Hegland : And aircraft and racing cars. And memory palaces
16:42:59 From Frode Hegland : Yes, important
16:44:19 From Peter Wasilko : Unless you don’t want to drop it in RL.
16:44:49 From Mark Anderson : Interpretive VR!
16:46:01 From Peter Wasilko : I’ll have to bow out in a few minutes, so much to do today.
16:46:02 From Brandel Zachernuk : For gaming in VR, you can’t go wrong with SuperHot – it’s fabulous for being embodied and using pose
16:46:17 From Frode Hegland : I’ll have to try it!
16:47:04 From Frode Hegland : https://youtu.be/s8ORlrj4Wpk for super hot
16:49:58 From Frode Hegland : Can you type that name please Brandel
16:50:17 From Brandel Zachernuk : The book is “The Extended Mind” by Annie Murphy Paul
16:50:31 From Mark Anderson : https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Thinking-Outside-Brain-Annie-Murphy/dp/0544947665
16:55:20 From Frode Hegland : Sorry, dinner planning for the guests
16:55:23 From Frode Hegland : Pasta!
16:55:54 From Frode Hegland : Brandel, you owe me £15 (for the book you ‘forced me’ to buy)
16:57:54 From Peter Wasilko : I have to bow out at the top of the hour.
17:00:03 From Peter Wasilko : Bye Guys, stay safe!
17:00:12 From Frode Hegland : Later!
17:01:29 From Frode Hegland : Some kind of zettelkasten will be crucial. Post Its as well, when interactive/on a wall. Remember Edgar in VR? 🙂
17:02:03 From Frode Hegland : So, where are we with meeting in Mozilla Hubs?
17:02:27 From Adam Wern : And walking is one the richer thinking environments for me, without tools or material
17:02:32 From Rafael Nepô : Minority Report + Zettelkasten
17:04:27 From Brandel Zachernuk : I’ll have to go pretty soon
17:04:39 From Fabien Benetou : https://hubs.mozilla.com/XULE6eC/glossy-cautious-park
17:05:31 From Frode Hegland : Go to https://futuretextlab.info then click meetings on top thenVR resources
17:06:06 From Fabien Benetou : https://hmd.link/
17:06:11 From Fabien Benetou : to share with VR headset
17:06:16 From Fabien Benetou : or also using the code
17:08:13 From Fabien Benetou : https://readyplayer.me/
17:12:57 From Adam Wern : Have to go now as well!