Chat : 18 March 2022 (Jamie Joyce)


15:07:23 From Panda Mery : Hi. I used to be into computer science and in London. I’m just curious and in Seoul.
15:08:18 From Frode Hegland : for the community
15:08:36 From Frode Hegland : for the books and Journal
15:10:22 From Peter Wasilko : Do you have a URL for that work?
15:10:43 From Peter Wasilko : We love collecting the URL’s of everyone’s projects!
15:11:38 From Daveed :
15:11:46 From Marc-Antoine Parent : My work on discourse representation is at
15:12:00 From Daveed :
15:12:18 From Peter Wasilko : I was mentioning future cities and universities of the future.
15:12:22 From Daveed :
15:15:35 From Peter Wasilko : Also I’ve been researching Medieval Universities and Guilts, World’s Fairs, Techno Cities, Charter Cities, and unbuilt proposed communities of tomorrow like Disney’s Progress City concept, the Minnesota Experimental City, and related projects.
15:18:54 From Peter Wasilko : I am also looking at Foresight, Architecture, Speculative Design, Legal Tech, and more.
15:20:19 From Daveed : Marc-Antoine, your work to develop a web knowledge is similar to what we are doing with bridges (see doc I just uploaded) at
15:20:30 From Fabien : First time I hear about « knowledge compression » makes me ponder about the like with text summarisation
15:20:40 From Frode Hegland : Good point Fabien.
15:20:45 From Frode Hegland : /good question
15:21:06 From Marc-Antoine Parent : @Daveed there are common points, yes.
15:21:49 From Daveed : Informs and enlightens!
15:22:06 From Peter Wasilko : Oh and on the tech side, my main interests are End User Programming, HCI, and Programming Language/DSL design.
15:24:33 From Daveed : Jaime, I’d be interested to know which videos or audio are relevant. Youtube search may not be sufficient
15:25:03 From Peter Wasilko : Brilliant!
15:26:44 From Daveed : Jaime, does you staff do all the deconstruction? How long did it take for the 13 page Green New Deal?
15:27:46 From Peter Wasilko : Have you gone into The Code of Federal Regulations where all the implementation details behind a bill like that lurk?
15:33:04 From Fabien : (Off topic and less important than bringing this content to VR but Berkeley also has a great bakery for Kouign Aman, can’t recall the name but will share later 😉
15:34:51 From Fabien : (Stqrt
15:35:00 From Fabien : (Starter Bakery iirc)
15:36:23 From Peter Wasilko : The Strumenta DSL community would find that fascinating!
15:38:36 From Peter Wasilko : Ah, typed hypertext links!
15:40:46 From Daveed : I wanted to see the humor one 🙂
15:42:26 From Peter Wasilko : This remind me of Sutton’s LeX model of evidentiary argumentation in his dissertation on law firm institutional memory.
15:43:18 From Peter Wasilko : It is already Nirvana for policy geeks.
15:44:30 From Peter Wasilko : Hypertext Stretch Text
15:46:02 From Frode Hegland : Who is your target user groups? How to you deal with identity, as in identity politics?
15:46:47 From Daveed : E-lightenment!
15:48:04 From Peter Wasilko : Do you flag logical fallacies in the presented text?
15:48:36 From Peter Wasilko : Wonderful!
15:49:06 From Peter Wasilko : Just repeat the last 15 seconds before we said you weren’t frozen.
15:49:48 From Peter Wasilko : The CDC’s constantly shifting COVID advice didn’t help.
15:50:07 From Marc-Antoine Parent : Attack on the role of experts has been ongoing for decades.
15:50:33 From Jamie Joyce : “The Road to Unfreedom”
15:50:46 From Peter Wasilko : Can you hold that book cover up again?
15:51:14 From Frode Hegland : How does this interconnect, how open?
15:51:52 From Daveed : Jaime, can you talk about where you are headed with the visualization on screens?
15:52:12 From Peter Wasilko : Is there a LateX typeset version?
15:52:52 From Peter Wasilko : (I’m also a bit obsessive about high quality typesetting.)
15:54:01 From Peter Wasilko : I’d love to see Judges and Juries use a tool like yours in their deliberations.
15:54:28 From Daveed : How much time in human resources and elapsed time did it take to do the nuclear example and to war extent do you anticipate AI to be useful in reducing the time in human resources and in elapsed time?
15:58:11 From Peter Wasilko : How do you deal with the temporal dimension of video?
16:02:16 From Daveed : Jaime, do you see any scenarios where you would want one or more aspects of the information SL is creating to be accessible on web pages relevant to the debate (e.g., the assets used in archiving set)?
16:08:46 From Frode Hegland : Is there a funny term for loosing one’s VR Virginity? Sounds like both have VR sounds so maybe VRginity Mark? 🙂
16:09:10 From Daveed : LOL
16:10:58 From Marc-Antoine Parent : It’s a graph, not a tree
16:14:35 From Marc-Antoine Parent : Importance of inoculation (e-Taiwan)
16:19:03 From Mark Anderson : ^^^ graph. Yes!
16:21:36 From Marc-Antoine Parent : Argumentation is a learned skill.
16:22:11 From Marc-Antoine Parent : That does not mean that it cannot be partly crowdsourced in principle, but certainly not naively
16:22:31 From Frode Hegland : Good points Marc-A
16:23:19 From Mark Anderson : Imprecision (unintended or otherwise) of language seems in impediment to speedy effective adoption of AI in this task. As Jamie notes, even using a large human base decreases consistency of argumententation, whereas tagging, resource discovery could be used.
16:23:45 From Peter Wasilko :
16:23:58 From Marc-Antoine Parent : @Mark absolutely. I am working hard on a logic of ambiguity on my side.
16:24:54 From Mark Anderson : @Marc-Antoine – interesting!
16:26:38 From Frode Hegland : (I do expect everyone here to have seen Hamilton at least once BTW)
16:28:57 From Peter Wasilko :
16:34:16 From Peter Wasilko : I have my hand up in case it is off screen in your Participants window.
16:34:48 From Frode Hegland : Peter, do you have a point/question of is your virtual hand up from before?
16:35:12 From Peter Wasilko : I have a few points and it has been up for bit,
16:36:14 From Marc-Antoine Parent : Foresight engine
16:37:01 From Marc-Antoine Parent : Argument structure is based on epistemic links; I think it needs to be connected to a bayesian causal tree
16:37:53 From Mark Anderson : Re-upping @Peter’s Futures cone link:
16:37:58 From Marc-Antoine Parent : has made those look good
16:38:05 From Karl Hebenstreit Jr : Peter Elbow’s Believing Game (connections to Yellow Hat in de Bono’s 6 Thinking Hats)
16:39:30 From Frode Hegland : Great point. Can you let people present where they are coming from? Norwegian Christian Democrats.
16:41:38 From Marc-Antoine Parent : My experience of social/conceptual map visualization is everyone’s first reflex is to situate themselves on the map.
16:42:36 From Marc-Antoine Parent : It’s a heuristic
16:43:11 From Fabien : Coud be useful to compare more methodically.
16:43:19 From Mark Anderson : St Ursula’s?
16:43:19 From Marc-Antoine Parent : There’s work showing that most so-called fallacies are actually heuristics, sometimes right, sometimes wrong
16:44:06 From Marc-Antoine Parent : @Fabien ty!
16:44:17 From Frode Hegland : Sorry Mark, you next!
16:44:39 From Peter Wasilko : And I have a new point.
16:44:50 From Frode Hegland : Sorry, there is one part to add to that…
16:45:02 From Marc-Antoine Parent : (Ref: “Dialogues de sourds”, Marc Angelot)
16:45:12 From Marc-Antoine Parent : Angenot
16:46:00 From Fabien : Marc-Antoine: my pleasure, you can find mine even though not properly formalised at
16:46:38 From Marc-Antoine Parent : Very interesting!
16:52:05 From Marc-Antoine Parent : Yes facilitation is highly embodied
16:54:24 From Marc-Antoine Parent : astroturfing
16:54:41 From Marc-Antoine Parent : Newspeak groups
16:54:45 From Peter Wasilko :
16:55:20 From Marc-Antoine Parent : One of the deepest rabbit holes on the internet 😉
16:55:39 From Marc-Antoine Parent : Beware 😉
16:56:10 From Fabien : On the political usage of ignorance Agnotology, The Making and Unmaking of Ignorance SUP 2008
16:58:20 From Karl Hebenstreit Jr : If it’s a PO Box on K Street NW, Washington, DC…
17:00:28 From Peter Wasilko :
17:00:45 From Marc-Antoine Parent : Oil industry
17:03:04 From Peter Wasilko : Here is an urban planning newsletter you might like:
17:04:43 From Frode Hegland : Made me think of the work I am doing now, which I’m surprised didn’t spark earlier. Maybe since this work I am doing is so much simpler and smaller: Augment thinking by making the user write their own (as they understand them) definitions and thus connections maybe?
17:04:53 From Peter Wasilko : @Jamie, What is your email address?
17:05:33 From Frode Hegland : New views, new sight. Love it!
17:05:35 From Daveed : Jaime, we are building a flexible annotation tool upon which you all can create types of smart tags that can reveal any information you want on any web page. The capacity to create custom smart tags will be next quarter.
17:06:59 From Jamie Joyce : Awesome! ^
17:07:06 From Jamie Joyce : I’d love to learn more!

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