Chat : 18 July 2022

18:10:16 From Peter Wasilko : What did I miss?
18:10:32 From Mark Anderson : Manipulation of text in VR
18:10:59 From Mark Anderson : Translatation/Transfer to VR of text
18:11:04 From Mark Anderson : Object formats
18:11:19 From Mark Anderson : Translation protocols to/from VR
18:11:50 From Mark Anderson : Psychological considerations, issues re embodiment
18:12:10 From Mark Anderson : What are the Tools?
18:15:49 From Peter Wasilko : https://web.archive.org/web/20041213040910/http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/mit/sectiond/small.pdf
18:16:27 From Frode Hegland : Sorry Mark, you were off screen so I did not see your hand. When I’m sharing please just speak up šŸ™‚
18:17:48 From Mark Anderson : OK. Have put in some items – not necessarily mine – as I understand to be in play in the chat above.
18:18:37 From Peter Wasilko : https://web.archive.org/web/20050225144212/http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/mit/tocpdf.html
18:20:59 From Frode Hegland : In terms of domains, I have a follow up. VM! How to extend VM in more granulaity.
18:22:09 From Mark Anderson : Isn’t Scholarcy addressing the issue Bob raises?

Part 2

18:30:27 From Peter Wasilko : http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/toc/ibmsysj.html
18:31:42 From Brandel Zachernuk : I can’t do writing while walking around
18:34:16 From Mark Anderson : Frode’s referring to my convo with him about difference between writing (outward transmission) vs review/editing which means much closer interaction with the text and its structure. Silly thinks like it’s much easier to proof large text and small text (IOW notions of ā€˜default’ zoom might be flawed).
18:40:42 From Frode Hegland : https://www.scholarcy.com
18:43:25 From Mark Anderson : Makes me think of Chris Gutteridgeā€™s of decomposable Glossaries – IOW the degree to which to drill in can reflect your facility with the subject under discussion.
18:44:54 From Peter Wasilko : https://apps.ankiweb.net
18:45:08 From Peter Wasilko : https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/6054/AIM-1004.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y
18:46:15 From Mark Anderson : Tried Anki, but didn’t do it for me, then again I’m not big on using flash cards.
18:46:42 From Fabien Benetou : I did it quite a bit https://fabien.benetou.fr/Wiki/MemoryRecipe within my own wiki but I didn’t put the time so I assume it means I didn’t find that so useful
18:47:04 From Mark Anderson : Regardless of [brandname] it seems the challenge is taking to salient points of a doc (assumed gathered for us) and passing it in a form a flash card app can consume.
18:48:54 From Peter Wasilko : aTbRef flashcard set!
18:54:57 From Mark Anderson : Re just throwing stuff onto the map (i.e. environment/wall/etc.) here’s an old Tinderbox exploration.
18:55:30 From Bob Horn : Akamatsu
18:57:34 From Mark Anderson : BTW, what exactly I was exploring, I forget, but the point is to illustrate to early phase of exploration, where I’m deliberately avoiding premature formalisation.
19:09:51 From Fabien Benetou : https://twitter.com/utopiah/status/1541446650316595200 sharing perspective in 360s and an earlier exploration which was supposed to add recording audio from someone else to replay https://vatelier.benetou.fr/MyDemo/PerspectiveNetwork/Perspectives/
19:10:37 From Brandel Zachernuk : oh people have started the workday and need me in another building, Iā€™ve got to drop. This was a great chat!
19:10:54 From Mark Anderson : Bye!
19:18:19 From Fabien Benetou : that seems to be some of the root for conspiarcy theory, that and the appeal to be in on a secret.
19:18:50 From Fabien Benetou : see https://www.niemanlab.org/2022/07/buying-into-conspiracy-theories-can-be-exciting-and-thats-what-makes-them-dangerous/
19:23:43 From Frode Hegland : webcal://p59-caldav.icloud.com/published/2/MzgzMTgyMjEzODMxODIyMVmOwNbRTBTI1KqmbYDDAmmuB76Y_bwyWfcO48We7WvH_oN4tdg6Vmh5Z8YMPSm0LSq0MNVHXIVyqS_WSD09VEsa
19:25:33 From Peter Wasilko : getting an insecure connection error
19:26:33 From Peter Wasilko : There was an unexpected error with the request on subscribed calendars (error -1).
19:30:01 From Frode Hegland : Fabien please go ahead
19:31:18 From Mark Anderson : In the context of perspectives, where do the unknowns go, indeed the unknown unknown. Like Dark Matter the latter are also part of the picture.
19:31:55 From Mark Anderson : IIRC this (unknown unknowns) relates to the Johari Window: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johari_window
19:36:57 From Fabien Benetou : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_similarity#Measures
19:41:19 From Fabien Benetou : example of one specific domain https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Semantic_Network#Semantic_similarity_of_OSM_tags but limited to tags as a folksonomy
19:42:49 From Frode Hegland : there is a banana boat though!
19:45:10 From Fabien Benetou : a classic too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tf%E2%80%93idf
19:49:25 From Fabien Benetou : good basis to start IMHO https://github.com/RaRe-Technologies/gensim
19:50:42 From Mark Anderson : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Look_Like_a_Thing_and_I_Love_You
19:52:33 From Frode Hegland : 1 minā€¦ still listening but cam off for a sec
19:52:44 From Mark Anderson : A couple of other books. ā€œAtrificial Intelligence: A guide for thingking humansā€ Melanie Mitchell Pub: Pelican.
19:53:35 From Mark Anderson : ā€œArtificial Unintelligenceā€ Meredith Broussard Pub: MIT Press
19:54:04 From Frode Hegland : I am by the ports in Tallinn in Estonia, taking pictures of all ships, wish you were here
19:54:08 From Mark Anderson : https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/artificial-unintelligence
19:54:54 From Mark Anderson : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence:_A_Guide_for_Thinking_Humans
19:57:31 From Peter Wasilko : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass
19:58:28 From Frode Hegland : Fabien, do you have libraries for doing automatic layouts of graphs? I am looking for Author’s Map

Text Notes in Author from the chat

Mapping unknowns for connections (18 July 2022 chat)

For context and focus, what are the domains of discourse we want to study in this group?
Minds for motion through the world as we perceive it (Brandel comment, Frode ads therefore where we stand matters).
Tools change our affordances. Words in brain, paper, digital and VR are different.
Bob asks what size chunks of knowledge.

Manipulation of text in VR
Translation/Transfer to VR of text
Psychological considerations, issues re embodiment
What are the Tools?

Peter: https://web.archive.org/web/20050225144212/http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj/mit/tocpdf.html

Bob: How AI can produce good sub-heads?

Bob: What would we like to do which we cannot? Fx AI goes through a long document and assigns sub-heads.

Brandel: Write while walking.

Peter: Construct hypertext networks while walking. Store triples as audio at least.

Frode’s referring to my convo with him about difference between writing (outward transmission) vs review/editing which means much closer interaction with the text and its structure. Silly thinks like it’s much easier to proof large text and small text (IOW notions of ā€˜default’ zoom might be flawed).

How to fold?

Frode: We have access, but do we have perspectives?
Author for Apple Watch: Siri, define ā€˜wordā€™ as ā€˜definitionā€™ and it appears in the Journal Defined Concepts, marked as voice created, ie ā€¢ in front in the menu list.

Fabien: Video?! Players showing popular parts. Annotations for how things are read as well.

Mark: Makes me think of Chris Gutteridgeā€™s of decomposable Glossaries – IOW the degree to which to drill in can reflect your facility with the subject under discussion.

Peter: Flashcards. To jog memory rather than store information. Linked in overview of the programmers apprentice. Dissolving distinctions between aliases and originals.
Fabien: I did it quite a bit https://fabien.benetou.fr/Wiki/MemoryRecipe within my own wiki but I didn’t put the time so I assume it means I didn’t find that so useful
Mark: Regardless of [brandname] it seems the challenge is taking to salient points of a doc (assumed gathered for us) and passing it in a form a flash card app can consume.
Peter: aTbRef flashcard set!

Bob: Argument mapping by Akamatsu.

Frode: Argument mapping as logos. Also need mythos. How can we work on changing how we stand?

Mark: Re just throwing stuff onto the map (i.e. environment/wall/etc.) here’s an old Tinderbox exploration. BTW, what exactly I was exploring, I forget, but the point is to illustrate to early phase of exploration, where I’m deliberately avoiding premature formalisation.

Jim presents a 6 sided cube with perspectives. We then discuss how this can be used, partially in VR.

Frode: How to read with large volumes of text/documents? Imagine defining specific texts as democratic, authoritarian and so on, then using ML to present new texts in different contexts.

Fabien: https://twitter.com/utopiah/status/1541446650316595200 sharing perspective in 360s and an earlier exploration which was supposed to add recording audio from someone else to replay https://vatelier.benetou.fr/MyDemo/PerspectiveNetwork/Perspectives/

Mark: In the context of perspectives, where do the unknowns go, indeed the unknown unknown. Like Dark Matter the latter are also part of the picture.
IIRC this (unknown unknowns) relates to the Johari Window: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johari_window

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