Chat Log : 29 May 2023 Leon van Kammen


16:04:16 From Leon van Kammen :
16:04:51 From Frode Hegland :
16:04:54 From Leon van Kammen :
16:05:21 From Frode Hegland :
16:15:08 From Peter Wasilko : What is MR in the center of the diagram?
16:15:28 From Brandel Zachernuk : “Mixed Reality”
16:15:54 From Peter Wasilko : How is it distinguished from AR?
16:17:09 From Brandel Zachernuk : It’s a term that people use to encompass the lot. Many people claimed that Google Glass-style AR with no ‘world registration’ as AR, which drove people to coining an additional term
16:17:30 From Frode Hegland : Ah… thanks Brandel
16:19:05 From Patrick Lichty : MR, XR, AR, VR, it seems these are used rather fungible, it’d be good to have a small discussion about the Venn diagram here after the talk.
16:19:24 From Frode Hegland : Yes exactly
16:19:39 From Frode Hegland : Doug’s paragraph level addressing made live on the web through this
16:19:52 From Karl Hebenstreit, Jr. : Reacted to “MR, XR, AR, VR, it s…” with 👍
16:22:14 From Peter Wasilko : I particularly loved Doug’s deep linking distinction between a location in a document whose content might change vs. content in a document whose location might change. We need anchors to both.
16:22:43 From Frode Hegland : Reacted to “I particularly loved…” with 👍
16:24:17 From Frode Hegland : Hi Dene
16:24:36 From Patrick Lichty : Reacted to “I particularly loved…” with 👏
16:25:08 From Dene Grigar To Frode Hegland(privately) : Good moring
16:25:12 From Dene Grigar To Frode Hegland(privately) : morning
16:25:27 From Frode Hegland To Dene Grigar(privately) : 🙂
16:30:25 From Frode Hegland : Hi Matthias
16:31:40 From Patrick Lichty : This is amazing, actually.
16:31:51 From Peter Wasilko : It looked like the image on the surface of the portal object was changing with one’s relative position to it.
16:33:09 From Dene Grigar : Is there an example of how this has been used for art?
16:33:25 From Patrick Lichty : Yes.
16:36:22 From Karl Hebenstreit, Jr. : Future of Interface Workshop (February 15-16), and there’s an XR Accessibility community,
16:40:15 From Peter Wasilko :
16:40:47 From Peter Wasilko :
16:45:25 From Fabien : addressability of the known universe with infinite resolution
16:47:49 From Frode Hegland : Fabien, infinite resolution depends on stated context, so cool
16:47:50 From Frode Hegland : Can this generate a link to a specific location and view by the user performing an action in that location and sharing it? Like a GPS coordinate maybe.
16:50:22 From Brandel Zachernuk : This is the W3C TPAC:, and the IW WG (webXR etc) is here:
16:50:28 From Fabien : Reacted to “This is the W3C TP…” with 👍
16:51:33 From Matthias mprove : The TPAC link says ”Sorry, Insufficient Access Privileges”
16:51:34 From Karl Hebenstreit, Jr. : I see XR accessibility as one of the most complex challenges. How can we make it accessible so people with disabilities are not excluded from virtual worlds?
16:52:22 From Matthias mprove : Oh, the comma was playing a trick on me:
16:53:45 From Peter Wasilko : De Bruijn Indices!
17:01:36 From Dene Grigar : Yes, I do
17:02:14 From Dene Grigar : VR poses a challenge for conservation
17:02:39 From Frode Hegland : 1 second sorry
17:02:49 From Fabien : indeed, participated to Not Time To Wait specifically for that
17:03:13 From Fabien : (for conservation, in art or not)
17:03:28 From Daveed Benjamin : Love it Peter! for XR fragments
17:03:55 From Matthias mprove : paraphrasing Jef Raskin: the beginning of a document should be usable as a filename to refer to the document itself
17:04:43 From Leon van Kammen : Jeff Rascin
17:04:51 From Peter Wasilko :
17:04:56 From Matthias mprove : /from his book The Humane Interface
17:05:37 From Dene Grigar To Frode Hegland(privately) : I need to go to another meeting. Thanks for today!
17:09:32 From Peter Wasilko : Just to play it safe, you might need to query IPFS for the URI phrase before using it on the extremely odd chance some else had previously generated it. In Law, we actually deal with this in naming corporations by breaking out an explicit Name Reservation step.
17:09:37 From Fabien : for ref
17:12:06 From Karl Hebenstreit, Jr. : @Fabien are you talking about a universal (UTC) timestamp?
17:13:03 From Fabien : was thinking more of the spatial aspect but timestamp could be an example too as we do have to be able to “convert” from one timezone to another or have different timescales too
17:15:26 From Fabien : other example most of us might be familiar with, without being aware of it, point being that with its name and it’s explicited and thus can be converted from and to, basically avoiding “the one solution” that we lately notice just doesn’t cover all cases
17:15:34 From Peter Wasilko : @Patrick, do you have any favorite Brutalist Architecture resources?
17:17:02 From Patrick Lichty : Brutalism appreciation society on FB, sci fi movie Sankofa and Last Men,
17:22:14 From Peter Wasilko : One can’t help contemplate Brutalism in VR.
17:22:38 From Patrick Lichty : Book – Soviet Bus Stops
17:26:38 From Peter Wasilko : @Brandel do you have a link to that work?
17:29:02 From Karl Hebenstreit, Jr. : List of speakers from Future of Interface workshop:
17:29:54 From Brandel Zachernuk :
17:30:00 From Karl Hebenstreit, Jr. : @Dene will want to view the Exploratorium:
17:30:15 From Karl Hebenstreit, Jr. : Thank you everyone, on to my next meeting…
17:30:44 From Leon van Kammen :
17:31:25 From Matthias mprove : Flashback: URLs were never meant to be seen by the end-user. This just happened some years after Berners-Lee/Cailliau have introduced their browser w/o visible links. Very insightful interview with Robert Cailliau (1999) at
17:36:04 From Matthias mprove : related to Leons wonderful work :: my ChronoLinks contain perspective and and zoom and time and old map identifier. Example: click the 5 buttons below at EXPEDITION AUF TENERIFFA
(This is a 3d mapbox world)
17:36:44 From Fabien : Reacted to “Flashback: URLs we…” with 👀
17:43:44 From Fabien : see also on “in 3D” screenshot (as glTF snapshot) from defined perspective, tried with “friends” via Immers and had a working version
17:44:24 From Frode Hegland : Reacted to “see also https://git…” with 👍
17:45:19 From Patrick Lichty : I have to go to another meeting soon. This was great. Thank you!
17:46:21 From Matthias mprove : Bonus info: Chronoscope’s ChronoLinks can also contain commands that are executed once the link is loaded by a browser. Example: this animation is just one link. Video:
DIY ChonoLink inside here
17:47:15 From Fabien :
17:48:12 From Matthias mprove : @Leon set a marker on something: This is again Jef Raskin, the distinction between focus of attention and locus of attention. /also from The Humane Interface
17:48:22 From Fabien :
17:50:42 From Brandel Zachernuk : Just like SMS, never intended to be exposed as an end-user capability
17:51:25 From Brandel Zachernuk : But there’s an explicit line from SMS to Twitter and many (most?) other social media platforms
17:53:36 From Fabien : code related to federated share moment/position that is accessible as a URL e.g
17:56:54 From Fabien : related on “pointing” at things in the real life with MR/AR/XR, this a “layer” of the “real” world
18:09:04 From Matthias mprove : My sort of fun: Connecting the Colosseum with Stonehenge,12.49231&z=17.11&r=20&t=14&m=SZAT7400-MIII40-8&o=0.8&s=1&c=z,-5,9,vIAb28777542-16,h,z,-22,9,vIAb22010294-26,z,-7,9,9
18:09:34 From Fabien : Reacted to “My sort of fun: Co…” with 👍
18:15:44 From Peter Wasilko : We could exfiltrate data as a Visual Meta blipvert in VR. Rez a placard with the VM for 10th of a second.

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